The Autistic Generation Gap
Adaptation is a really good word to describe it. I do not think a person's abilities or achievements should be a method on assessing their level of autism or how it effects them overall. A lot of people are not what they seem on the surface. It is like when someone sees someone park in a handicap spot and then walk away from their car like nothing is wrong with them. When in fact they have an artificial leg.
We have a member here who, I believe has had a severe illness that caused further disabilities. Hidden disabilities such as you describe are really difficult.
It is why I'm going to doctors to find out. But in a realistic sense, that may not be an available option for many people. I live in NYC. Not many places have this many opportunities.
Soooo....those that believe, but cannot get a proper diagnosis (cost, location, etc) kinda have only the one choice. Children are a different story because of the focus on these issues with children in schools and such.
But, from what I stumbled upon today, it would seem that there are people jumping on a bandwagon due to a lack of proper information and inaccurate media representation.
That's why I'm so intrigued with the "Elementary" story line. The writing is generally good and consistent with the characters and pay proper homage to the original source material. I would love to know if they get this character right. Or at least as right as it can be considering the incredible diversity that Autism presents.
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Well, nothing on that but a HUGE amount of results about "Sherlock being Autistic", "Has Asperger's" and on and on. I never knew that or thought that.
But this is interesting:
"This erroneous understanding of the way that autistic people behave, making Sherlock's abilities and attitude desirable, risks turning a very serious condition into something vogue. Even before Sherlock returned to our screens in his modern setting, there was a harmful trend of self-diagnosis in autism where people would claim to be on the high-functioning end of the spectrum despite not having received, or even sought, a clinical diagnosis. While there may be some cases where this is a legitimate false-negative, the vast majority are not autistic but their misunderstanding of what ASD is - prompted by a lack of accurate, unambiguous representation on television - has led them to believe, and sometimes openly claim, that they are undiagnosed."
And this lends a lot of credence to what has been said by way of it 'becoming a wannabe' issue.
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mat-gre ... 48520.html
And a link to another article that relays information from Doctors about this issue as well:
http://wellingtongoose.tumblr.com/post/ ... -or-autism
So....maybe there is more to this than previously thought.
I do not watch every episode of "Elementary" but did see last nights. The woman charactor in question self identified as "neuroatypical" discussed her problems reading people and dating "neurotypicals". Aspergers/Autism while heavily implied was not specifically mentioned. Did she self identify as on the the spectrum prevoiusly? . Has the show labled Sherlock as aspergers or Autistic?
How accurate it is, I don't know. So far, I am the only one I know of for sure so, no baseline there. Well, waiting to finish diagnosis to see if I am or not.
Sherlock on this side of the ocean has not been identified and does not attempt to do so. However, the writers on the BBC Sherlock have played word games with it as well by having people tell him he's got Asperger's and he plays it off by saying he's a high-functioning sociopath instead. So, there they are playing with things that people don't really understand in the populace at large. They say they like doing it because they are amused with all the people trying to 'forensically identify a fictional character."
So, without further information from them (Good story telling should involve introducing new material in a way that is explained or illuminated somehow) they make either a high-functioning sociopath or an Autistic person some sort of superhero without any of the negative influences.
More than anything, this does illustrate your thread title. Two completely different generations (2 by standard count and almost 3) with completely different expectations (They are doing this vs why would they do this) got waysided by not having better information.
Most often programs heavily imply Aspergers without mentioning the word. The charactors of "Scorpion" are described as socially ackward geniuses. They talk about bieng bullied and use us vs them language. Some programs such as Parenthood which the Aspergers of a teenage charactor was a main storyline and Gray's Anatomy which had an episode that showed a charactor having a meltdown did directly deal with it. I don't think this implying stuff is good, because people are assuming it anyways and it gives the impression to me that the network executives believe if they use the actual words Autism or Aspergers audiences would leave.
Back on topic this phenomenon of quirky socially ackward geniuses TV charactors with implied Aspergers has really proliferated in the last decade or so. For the most part more severe Autism and sensory issues are not dealt with at all. The allegation is that people are identifying themselves as Autistic in order to be like these fictional stereotyped charactors as well as retro diagnosed historical figures such as Einstien.
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I actually really don't like the way that people are portrayed on tv that supposedly have Asperger's or high-functioning ASD. It's always implied, not directly stated, but they are portrayed as super-human quirky nerd geniuses. It's ridiculous.
Like Bones. Her character is excellent at almost everything. A genius. And her poor social skills are quirky or cute to others. Like "Oh, jeez, there goes Bones again, hahaha." She has no sensory issues or problems with eye contact. She's just really literal and somewhat insensitive. That's the sum of her autism disabilities. Big deal.
I guarantee that I'm not seen as quirky or cute. I'm not loved and admired for my talents and accepted by others. I'm a weirdo, lazy, over-emotional, rigid, anti-social, etc.
An adverb makes an adjective (or a noun) come to life. It almost always ends with "ly." Lively is an adverb. The "lively red ball" is even richer than the "red ball."
Lively is not an adverb but an adjective, even though it ends in -ly, Kraftiekortie. An adjective describes a noun, an adverb qualifies a verb, an adjective, or even another adverb.
An easy task. (adjective)
That's easily done. (adverb)
Easily the best. (adverb)
Like Bones. Her character is excellent at almost everything. A genius. And her poor social skills are quirky or cute to others. Like "Oh, jeez, there goes Bones again, hahaha." She has no sensory issues or problems with eye contact. She's just really literal and somewhat insensitive. That's the sum of her autism disabilities. Big deal.
I guarantee that I'm not seen as quirky or cute. I'm not loved and admired for my talents and accepted by others. I'm a weirdo, lazy, over-emotional, rigid, anti-social, etc.
So you WANT aspies to be protrayed as dislikable?
And you resent aspies being portrayed as likable?
Like Bones. Her character is excellent at almost everything. A genius. And her poor social skills are quirky or cute to others. Like "Oh, jeez, there goes Bones again, hahaha." She has no sensory issues or problems with eye contact. She's just really literal and somewhat insensitive. That's the sum of her autism disabilities. Big deal.
I guarantee that I'm not seen as quirky or cute. I'm not loved and admired for my talents and accepted by others. I'm a weirdo, lazy, over-emotional, rigid, anti-social, etc.
So you WANT aspies to be protrayed as dislikable?
And you resent aspies being portrayed as likable?
But the lack of realism is what can be most damaging as people just do not differentiate between reality and TV.
This character in "Elementary" just seems to be a woman coping with it an just very good at her job. What's wrong with that? I actually believe the people who ge up, go out and just do it are more interesting than the high level make believe.
Speaking of Bones, she is directly based on he writer, Kathy Reichs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Reichs) but I don't know how much of it is really her personality. But, she is a real forensic pathologist and world renowned.
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"Lively" does describes and enhances the effect the adjective "red." Hence, it's an adverb in this case.
Especially if it can be deduced that the "redness" in the ball is "lively." It can be--based upon such things as the angle of the sun, as well as the intensity of the "red."
If it was merely a "lively" ball, then it would be an adjective. Or if the "lively" merely describes the ball.
^Yes, on reflection I think you're both right - the word lively can indeed be said to have an adverbial force in the above example, though its regular use is almost exclusively adjectival. It's still fair to say though that an adverb can only qualify ('give life to') a verb, an adjective or another adverb. ![]()
Dealing with the public perception of autism is a challenge we all face, and I think it's great we're talking about it.
I learned years ago never to tell anyone I'm bipolar, because their perception of it is limited to characters they've seen on TV, who are volatile, out of control, destroying the lives of everyone around them.
The public perception of autism presents a truly bizarre challenge though. I'm not nearly as functional or socially adept as Sherlock or Bones - and yet most people would say I'm just quiet and awkward, but not autistic. Therefore it's only wishful thinking on my part, because I want to be cool like Sherlock or Bones, instead of the pathetic mess that I am.
So I'm learning from all this, that the public perception of autism is either the stereotypical Kanner type, or the Sherlock or Bones type - but those who fall between those two extremes are simply 'awkward'. Well, okay then.
The reality is that I would rather be seen as 'quiet and awkward' than some kind of Munchausens wannabe, so I'm learning to make peace with that. My doctors and immediate family know the truth of my challenges, but to everyone else I'm just quiet and awkward, and that's all right with me.
I learned years ago never to tell anyone I'm bipolar, because their perception of it is limited to characters they've seen on TV, who are volatile, out of control, destroying the lives of everyone around them.
The public perception of autism presents a truly bizarre challenge though. I'm not nearly as functional or socially adept as Sherlock or Bones - and yet most people would say I'm just quiet and awkward, but not autistic. Therefore it's only wishful thinking on my part, because I want to be cool like Sherlock or Bones, instead of the pathetic mess that I am.
So I'm learning from all this, that the public perception of autism is either the stereotypical Kanner type, or the Sherlock or Bones type - but those who fall between those two extremes are simply 'awkward'. Well, okay then.
The reality is that I would rather be seen as 'quiet and awkward' than some kind of Munchausens wannabe, so I'm learning to make peace with that. My doctors and immediate family know the truth of my challenges, but to everyone else I'm just quiet and awkward, and that's all right with me.
Not everybody who has social problems are autistic. Not everybody who is brilliant has autism. Not everybody is sitting in a corner rocking.
Here at least we have the opportunity to talk with people who ARE educated about this. Some more than others.
For instance, I am learning every single day and still way behind the curve. I'm the very low end of knowledge.
I am struggling to put pieces together. And, as I learn, I am not afraid to 'flip flop' on a situation as facts become available. It's not a change in position. It's an evolution of knowledge.
And, in the NT world, it seems the 'flip flop' like that is thought of as being 'uncommitted'. It is frowned upon. I have actually gotten into situations where the people above me were not happy that 'the answer' kept changing. I had to remind them that conditions changed each time they added new things.
"But you were so adamant!"
"Yes, until you changed a parameter that altered the conditions. Ten times.....So, ten different answers."
"What?"
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And, that is very rigid behaviour I am learning.
So, I am rigid, but not unmovable. I am open to new information. I am not open to opinion. And, my big thing is that I can conflate the two at the wrong time and really mess things up.
That's why I want to get the proper diagnosis so I can overcome things.
But public opinion cannot change until a better representation is available.
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You are 'rigidly open-minded', in that your logic code dictates that you update your viewpoint, if new evidence presents itself. I think that's a good way to be.
A lot of people just want to insist they're right, regardless of evidence or logic. To me, that is the disorder.
And yes, we have a long way to go, in getting the public to understand the reality of autism. I think we're in a better place now, than 10 years ago - and over the next 10 years, I hope it will improve even more.
A lot of people just want to insist they're right, regardless of evidence or logic. To me, that is the disorder.
And yes, we have a long way to go, in getting the public to understand the reality of autism. I think we're in a better place now, than 10 years ago - and over the next 10 years, I hope it will improve even more.
Just this danged math study is taking so much out of me and well, trying to find a job which is really hard with all the overloads/stress/communication issues. I never interviewed well before...at all.
So, how did I get work? Well, back in the day, they would see a portfolio and make the decision based off that. Artists were so supposed to oddballs anyway. Now, it's so freaking 'corporate' that it's almost impossible to interview. Now it's all 'team work' and ' must be handle large amounts of information from many sources'. Yes, that was several terms from work searches I am looking into.
Well, that's not good for me on any level. Stick me in a basement, keep it dark and feed me crap. I can be a good mushroom. But, they all want shiny, bright flowers now.
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