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22 Apr 2023, 9:51 am

If you do give it a go, Isabella, let me know the 4 types! That article is way above my head :lol:

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22 Apr 2023, 9:52 am

I'd probably need to get high first but hey, it's Saturday.

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22 Apr 2023, 11:43 am

Well why not, do as you think best

Really pretty pictures in that article aren't there.

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22 Apr 2023, 12:28 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

I love the graphics! ^

I was disappointed they didn't name the four groups in the conclusion.

I hate when that happens.

I might give it a go sometime and try to figure out what it all means.

Yes, good job KitLily. The pictures look great but I agree it's a shame they don't explicitly list those 4 subtypes. No wonder the journalists didn't list them. Can't somebody with an iPhone say "Hey Siri, read this and tell me what the 4 subtypes are"?

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22 Apr 2023, 12:43 pm

Thank you *bows*

Yes, get the AI Siri to work out what the other AI has worked out! Get AI talking to each other. :idea:

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22 Apr 2023, 2:54 pm

OT: Will AIs have personalities and have difficulties communicating just like humans do? YES. :lol:

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22 Apr 2023, 3:03 pm

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OT: Will AIs have personalities and have difficulties communicating just like humans do? YES. :lol:

I think you are right :lol:

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22 Apr 2023, 6:06 pm

MrsPeel did a good job of figuring out the subgroups for you.

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Subgroup 1:
From the text: Above average verbal IQ + High connectivity in verbal IQ network + abnormally low connectivity in language processing areas.
Also, from the charts: impairments in social affect and RRB.

Subgroup 2:
From the text: Below average verbal IQ + Low connectivity in verbal IQ network + abnormally high connectivity in language processing areas. Plus many individual differences in aspects of IQ.
Also, from the charts: impairments in social affect and RRB.

Subgroup 3:
From the text: High social affect symptoms + high connectivity in social affect networks + low RRB symptoms.
Also, from the charts: Abnormally low connectivity in RRB networks? + average to above verbal IQ.

Subgroup 4:
From the text: Low social affect symptoms + abnormally low connectivity in social affect networks + high RRB symptoms + high connectivity in RRB networks.
Also, from the charts: Average verbal IQ.

Then they gave a simplified version.

MrsPeel wrote:

Summarised in my own words by principal traits, with a few inferences:
Type 1 = high IQ except language processing, may be stimmy
Type 2 = low verbal IQ (or very spiky IQ profile)
Type 3 = more socially impaired (+may have sensory issues?)
Type 4 = more restricted/repetitive behaviours (obsessive interests, rigid schedules?)

I think I'm a 3, but the cool thing is one day I might be able to go get an MRI and they could tell me for sure.

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22 Apr 2023, 7:33 pm

Emmett wrote:

MrsPeel did a good job of figuring out the subgroups for you.

MrsPeel wrote:

Then they gave a simplified version.

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I think I'm a 3, but the cool thing is one day I might be able to go get an MRI and they could tell me for sure.

I still don't get it. I have no idea which one I'd be.
I think I picked Type 3 before but I don't know why because my sensory problems are insane.
What if you're low in all of the areas? (Social, RRB, verbal etc?)
I think I scored "best" in verbal but I'm still mute and have a language processing disorder.

I've had lots of brain MRI but they weren't specific to this study.

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22 Apr 2023, 9:50 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

I think I'm a 3, but the cool thing is one day I might be able to go get an MRI and they could tell me for sure.

I still don't get it. I have no idea which one I'd be.
I think I picked Type 3 before but I don't know why because my sensory problems are insane.
What if you're low in all of the areas? (Social, RRB, verbal etc?)
I think I scored "best" in verbal but I'm still mute and have a language processing disorder.

I've had lots of brain MRI but they weren't specific to this study.

Maybe a 2? Below average verbal IQ, widely varied in other categories that determine IQ, social impairment, and RRB.

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22 Apr 2023, 10:00 pm

I'm not widely varied, I don't think?

Verbal 25th
NonVerbal 5th

Not sure what the other categories of IQ are.

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22 Apr 2023, 10:28 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Not sure what the other categories of IQ are.

Mathematical skills, memory, spatial perception, and language abilities.

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22 Apr 2023, 10:41 pm

Maths - High
Memory - Short term is awful, most memories are synaesthesia or sensory
Spatial - Awful (documented)
Language abilities - Reading writing high / auditory visual very low (LD) / speaking almost NIL

Emotional IQ - Low (Alexithymia)

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22 Apr 2023, 10:55 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Sounds highly variable

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22 Apr 2023, 11:04 pm

Emmett wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Sounds highly variable

Try being me.

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22 Apr 2023, 11:57 pm

Apologies for the hiatus.

Last week I made a diagram showing my version of the 4 subtypes (plus some intermediate ones I made up, in case you are on the boundaries). But being technologically challenged it's taken until now to work out how to post it.

Apologies for the type naming, I tried to use names or words for us which are already used by ourselves or others, even if they might not be very flattering or PC. It's just intended as a bit of fun.

And aspiues at the top was not an aspie supremacy thing, honestly, it just turned out that way. (Though I admit I sit in the aspie category)

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