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30 Jul 2005, 3:38 pm

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By the way: Why is it that "most of us" doesnt want to be "cured"? Why isnt it no one wants to be cured. Does some of you actually want to be "normal" without autistic wierdness...?

If you want a cure, more power to you. Personally, I'd prefer my Autistic wierdness over most NT behaviors anyday.



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30 Jul 2005, 8:28 pm

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If you want a cure, more power to you. Personally, I'd prefer my Autistic wierdness over most NT behaviors anyday.


Know what I like best about my autistic weirdness? I didn't know I was autistically weird until I learned about AS at age 40! :lol: Why change my worldview now?



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30 Jul 2005, 9:29 pm

Yes, I agree that some comments were treating Princess Christina just the same way we wouldn't wanted to be spoken to. Let's not forget she is a 13 year old and finding her way in the world. Also, she might still be AS - it is just the opinion of one health professional that she isn't.

I don't get offended when people say AS can be cured unless they are trying to hint to me that if I just made a bit more effort, I could be cured. That is sure to make me flare up. Otherwise, I just think the idea is ludicrous and think they are surely deluding themselves.


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30 Jul 2005, 11:02 pm

Has anyone who uses YIM or AIM tried to contact PrincessChristina and tell her that we (collectively) have been too hard on her and ask her to come back?



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31 Jul 2005, 11:37 am

Sean, I YIMed her and left a message because she wasn't on at the time. Hopefully, I will hear back from her soon and let you all know. :)


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03 Aug 2005, 8:42 pm

Don't worry everyone! :o I'm not mad at any of u!! !!

I was just a little bizy. I am sorry to all of u for assuming a cure is good. I meant it like making life better. Sorr :oops:

You're all the best! I :heart: u every 1 of u!


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04 Aug 2005, 1:46 am

Welcome back PrinCessChrisTinA,

People got a little bit confused when you didn´t react anymore, so they thought your were angry, but I mentioned:

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The fact she´s not showing up anymore doesn´t necessarily mean she is offended. People can get bored after a while and shift their attention to something else. People may have other things to do which are more important.

I am right see :!:
You were just busy.

I love to be right. :lol:



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04 Aug 2005, 1:48 am

PrinCessChrisTinA wrote:
Don't worry everyone! :o I'm not mad at any of u!! !!

I was just a little bizy. I am sorry to all of u for assuming a cure is good. I meant it like making life better. Sorr :oops:

You're all the best! I :heart: u every 1 of u!



christina, you have a big heart, to take all this on the chin as you have. bloody good for you. and it shows up some of the pettiness there's been, rather strikingly.



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04 Aug 2005, 2:19 am

Something doesn't make sense to me. Christina posted that she wanted to know how she can help Aspies. Then the Aspies replied just as Aspies would be expected to, honestly and often bluntly. Then some Aspies gave other Aspies a hard time for simply being the Aspies that they are. Then some Aspies felt the need to apologize because they had only been honest about how they felt in their replies to Christina (why someone would apologize for being honest is a mystery to me). Then some Aspies start feeling sorry for Christina when there was no logical need to feel sorry for anyone on this thread.

I am going to go to the bathroom and then back to bed.


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04 Aug 2005, 6:02 am

But I get upset sometimes when people are "honest" with me because sometimes "honesty" can be used to hurt other people. There are ways of telling the truth without being too harsh about it. Other people have feelings and it's important to know how much bluntness they can cope with.

I can be blunt about ideas that I think are silly but I try my very best not to make it an attack upon the person themselves.


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04 Aug 2005, 8:11 am

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But I get upset sometimes when people are "honest" with me because sometimes "honesty" can be used to hurt other people. There are ways of telling the truth without being too harsh about it. Other people have feelings and it's important to know how much bluntness they can cope with.

I can be blunt about ideas that I think are silly but I try my very best not to make it an attack upon the person themselves.


With me it is never an attack on the person. I do not be honest to attack, just to be honest. I am often accused of being cruel and merciless with my honesty, but I have no way to determine how anyone will be affected by what I say, I have no way to be able to judge their reactions unless my companion steps in and says something to me. Not having any coping skills myself makes it hard for me to understand the concept of coping in general. I literally have no idea what it means to cope. I have no way to regulate my reactions and no way to determine how others will, or do react to me. I believe there are many Aspies like that. So for some people, understanding what another person can cope with is simply impossible.


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04 Aug 2005, 8:17 pm

*giggles* Trust a room full of Aspies to make a big deal out of a big nothing! :lol:


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04 Aug 2005, 8:38 pm

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Something doesn't make sense to me. Christina posted that she wanted to know how she can help Aspies. Then the Aspies replied just as Aspies would be expected to, honestly and often bluntly. Then some Aspies gave other Aspies a hard time for simply being the Aspies that they are. Then some Aspies felt the need to apologize because they had only been honest about how they felt in their replies to Christina (why someone would apologize for being honest is a mystery to me). Then some Aspies start feeling sorry for Christina when there was no logical need to feel sorry for anyone on this thread.


Blunt and Aggressive are two very different things. Also, Honest and Blunt are two different things.

Honesty is often to be admired. Bluntness is hopefully to be tolerated. And Aggression should be apologized for.


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04 Aug 2005, 9:58 pm

That is wonderful you want to help Christina. Another thing you can do is write an article for your school newspaper on Autism and it's effects on students, both positive and negative. I did that for Autism awareness month in April at my college for the student newspaper, and I must say I got a lot of good response from the students.



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04 Aug 2005, 10:42 pm

Hey, that's a great idea, aaronkt.

And, Christina, if writing isn't your thing, maybe you and a friend could do it together. The more the merrier! :D :D :D


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04 Aug 2005, 10:55 pm

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Something doesn't make sense to me. Christina posted that she wanted to know how she can help Aspies. Then the Aspies replied just as Aspies would be expected to, honestly and often bluntly. Then some Aspies gave other Aspies a hard time for simply being the Aspies that they are. Then some Aspies felt the need to apologize because they had only been honest about how they felt in their replies to Christina (why someone would apologize for being honest is a mystery to me). Then some Aspies start feeling sorry for Christina when there was no logical need to feel sorry for anyone on this thread.


I agree, and this is a very good example of how, when I am saying something I find quite logical, others interpret it as an attack or aggressive. And I can't say to them, well gee, I don't care enough about you to want to attack you because they think that too is an attack. This is the kind of thing that makes people want to cure autism. NTs often have little tolerance for reality, especially honesty. But to date, no one has been able to demonstrate a good reason to lie, even if the intent is to preserve feelings or a relationship. Why not work things out and create an atmosphere of trust?

Brutal honesty is only brutal if you live in a society where the value of relationships has been degraded to the point where people spend lifetimes lying to each other with the approval of that society. I'm lying to you because I love you?????
Unfortunately we have also been taught to blame other people for our emotions. You made me feel attacked. You made me feel angry. In reality it wasn't the person, it was the thing they said or did. In keeping with that we are expected to take responsibility for the person's feelings and say I'm sorry I made you feel that way. This is chaotic and foolish and hasn't yet led to peace on earth.

This is why I get in trouble all the time. This is why I came to this site. Knowing that I could be myself and have people understand that, made me feel like if earth is the wrong planet, then there is here, an embassy from the right one, an embassy that respects my culture and protects me from attempts at assimilation. If you are a visitor to my embassy, do not expect to find your culture!
My solution was to post my response in a different place.
I have a right to my response and to get support for how I feel. Otherwise the only person I'll be able to have a relationship with will be my therapist.
It is regretful if Christina felt attacked.
I am not sorry I was honest.
I don't have any aggressive intent, except toward the mosquitos and carpenter ants that invade my home and make me think I'm hallucinating.
Since I am also brutally honest, if you feel attacked by this post, consider seriously that it might be all in your head....


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