Asperger to be sent to jail for 70 years - Pentagon

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That's a very pertinent point. His lawyer in the uk though did tell him that if he didn't go to the states and accept the first unsigned 'deal' and tried to fight the extradition them he would have 'the book thrown at him'.

Personally, I think he is facing a very stiff sentence - potentially the 'best part' of his life.

So he listened to a lawyer?

Heres the deal, first, it's Federal, our first class prison system.

Second, this is a closed door trial, which gives him a lot of room.

State Secrets and all, not to be brought out. He could be tried by the Military.

The deal is, intent, and if he can show everything he did, and it fits a UFO profile, and he discloses how, what else he learned, and how he knows the Chinese, everything, the whole story, his cooperation will be noted.

We do want to know about holes in the system.

As a non violent first offender, we have the white collar country club prison on an air base in Pensacola, Florida, with tennis and golf, minimum security, replace your divots. That is for those who cooperate.

We also have a Military brig, questioning by the CIA, around the clock, no sleep for days, constant questioning, long waits to come before a three Officer Panel, and no rights. That is for those who do not cooperate. Some have been held for five years and never got to trial.

He could be facing 70 years, he could be facing a job offer. It is not going away.

So dealing with your mess, this is not the Bush years, the Attorney General is a good man, we want information not revenge.

He was offered a deal? So he goes to a UK lawyer?

When offered a deal you write back, thanking them, and explore the possibilities. One deal we do offer is any jail time can be served in London, but we cannot change conditions there.

It is not too late, forget the lawyer and the press, he has already admitted guilt.

The first thing a civilized man does is apoligise. He was in the wrong.

Since he has admitted guilt in the press, he should write a full confession.

As for being against the war, a lot of very good men in our military and government resigned in protest of that war, and the way it was going to be fought.

What we want to know is how it happened. He can get that out of the way first.

I once got a speeding ticket. I went to court and listened to a bunch of whiners claiming they were innocent. When it came to my turn I plead guilty, and the judge asked what I thought of doing 51 in a 35, and I said, when the officers lights came on I looked at my speed and it read 56.

He then asked if there were extenuating circumstances, I said, a 352 Ford, a lead foot, and I was thinking about women, and not good thoughts.

I was sent to the Clerk of Court, who said they would send me a letter. Behind me the people came up plead guilty, and the court was going to be cleared that night. I never got the letter, never paid the fine, and the ticket never showed up on my driving record.

Dealing with it is the best way through our system.

If it takes extradition, that is going to cost you five years.

Deal with it, a year at the country club max.

Since this is an Autism web site, and it could well be as you all have been claiming, he is one of those clueless Aspies, I would deal him in with the Justice Department if he wants to come clean.

Mostly I deal with Securities and Exchange lawyers, clearing paper work where I could be facing years in jail, huge fines, and being barred for life, then jail time, I get them to look over the papers first.

Tell Gary to contact me here, we can work this out a lot better than him being extradited. He will pay for that, for non cooperation, and if he is just a UFO aspie, it can be worked.

Our legal system is an adversarial relationship. They say plead guilty to a Felony and take a hundred years, I say, I will pay a $100 fine, we finally settle on a $200 fine.

There is hardly anyone on this site who knows what autism is, so don't expect public awareness.

Fighting extradition makes him look guilty of more, and what can we think, A British Agent, so it reflects badly on our much broader relationship, we know you spy on our industry, and the French spy on our toys and games.

Our military cooperation is at a much higher level than anything he saw. If he was linked to terror, you would have him in jail.

Wrong Planet has come out strongly about the wrongness of breaking any laws, hacking the Department of Defense is not getting any support here.

We will work toward resolving this matter.

It exists, it has to be dealt with, we can help, it is not going away.

In the best interests of both our countries, and of the autistic community, Gary has to face what he did, and help us close the holes in our system.

Gary, contact me and I will speak on your behalf to the Justice Department, we can wind this down.

To start with, those extradited do not get bail. Those who come to answer the charges do.

No bail, brought in in chains, likely going to do five years. Coming in on your own, with some management, bail, and maybe a year at the Country Club. Maybe time served in London.

Doing the right thing is sometimes hard, but it is the best path.

To quote some famous English people, "We can work it out."

First of all, by law, he would be considered a terrorist. You know years ago, some nuns climbed the fence and snuck into an Air Force base to protest the nuclear weapons, and the nuns were arrested and are listed as terrorists now. Military doesn't take things like National Security lightly. That's why none of the civilians in this world will understand what their service members do sacrifice for civilian rights, etc.

Second, I'm slightly concerned about the Chinese thing. Did he mean Chinese Americans hacking in, or Chinese in China? Also, if he knows information regarding other hackers, wouldn't he get less time for being a snitch?

Third, maybe if this guy was capable of hacking into the computers at the Pentagon, and he doesn't seem to be the enemy, what the gov't should do is hire him to increase the security of the computers, and the least they could do is just show him what they know about the UFOs, like right before he dies considering all he's willing to do for that info. Meanwhile, they tell the world he's in prison but actually, he's working for us. It's perfect plan. Of course, that's after they do the top secret background check if he passes it otherwise.

Fourth, I doubt he'd be given maximum because it seems he had more a lapse in judgement on the severity of what he did as a result of his Aspergers more than him being a continual threat to society's security. The thing I worry about is prison changes a person. If he's not the type to have a criminal mind, he probably will have more of one after prison. Considering he was capable of hacking into the computers and such, yeah, not exactly the person I'd like to see get a criminal mind. I think we'd be better off letting him go on house arrest spying on him severely in the process. Or maybe brain wash him with the Care Bears or something.

No Inventor, the 'deal' he was offered wasn't signed - when requested a signature was refused 'take it or leave it'

In effect it wasn't a deal at all - none binding

He was told to accept it and get to the states in a month(I think) maximum or it was no longer on the table
His lawyer - yes, he consulted a lawyer - told him it wasn't a deal really at all but if he didn't go he'd be getting the book thrown at him

- he was scared of the prospect of being locked up on the other side of the world where, to be fair he wouldn't really get any visitors - know what I mean?

so he decided to try and fight the extradition

The point here is that the UK government have circumvented the RIGHTS of a UK citizen because of pressure put on them from Washington DC

He is going to be made an example of - and that is what this is about - and it is unfair considering real spies against America - get off scot free and continue to work in the halls of power!! !

Perhaps you should concentrate your energies on them and not a dopey stoner who looked for UFO's on a dial up connection in his exgirlfriend's aunt's house

LOL again at the Chinese connection suspicions - that's a good one!

We watch everyone, but the pros are more fun to watch, see what they are looking for, who they know, and it is a game.

Freelance, you never know who they are dealing with.

No UK Citizen has a right to spy and crash the Department of Defense computers.

This is not going to go away.

Gary is quoted about the Chinese.

If he will look around he will see he is losing.

It can get better or worse, it is not going away.

LOL like you keep saying - I reckon he knows it's not going away - he's crapping himself, by all accounts and has suffered depression as a consequence.

The Chinese thing will be nothing imho - and they could interview him about it without threatening to slam him up for the rest of his born days!

This is all about American prestige - as has been pointed out - it was dumb to leave computers with blank passwords if they were protecting national secrets

I didn't mean other hackers when I talked about spies - I meant dual citizens can't spying for other countries interests who not only don't get charged but keep their damn high flyer governmental jobs!

what's up with that? and you're more focused on Gary McKinnon and seeing 'justice done' gimme a break lol

Actually I have a conspiracy theory on this one. Now, keep in mind, it's just observations I made, and the whole idea that it might even be true or accurate in my mind is a joke, but anyway...

On unsolved mysteries, the UFO siting over NY and Arizona had some similarities (as well as others throughout the world, but those are two i can remember). They both saw a chevron shaped craft, hovering, without any noise, as big as a city in the sky. In Arizona, witnesses said it morphed into a circular shape and disappeared going straight up into the sky/stars at rapid speed. Pilots in both cases said in no way was it an aircraft as we know it. In most cases, the military stepped in stating it was flares or some sort of training or testing with pilots and regular crafts.

Now, think of this. Air Force started (coming from the Army Air Corps) around the same time people claimed to see UFO's. Probably also around the time Area 51 started in theory to some major UFO fanatics. Anyway, the enlisted rank and the AF logo type thing is a chevron shape of stripes, and in the center, a star with a circle. Also, AF major mission is to handle satellites and space command.

So there is a link of all circumstantial evidence. I'm sure some real fanatics have come up with more than I noted here, but hey, it's still all circumstantial. I personally believe if there is life outside of earth, and they have discovered earth, their best bet is to either stay away from us as we will destroy their peaceful planet with our arts of war, or they will just sit aside and watch us destroy each other and then jump in and kill whats left to claim this planet for themselves. That would be assuming they are an intelligent species, which I would assume would be a prerequisite for space exploration.

I also very much doubt if the government were involved that we'd keep records of it in the main DOD system. Kinda like in Independence day where even the President was on a need to know basis... lol.

But also, I should point out to all people if they will read this far in a post I wrote in response to your quote.... Being serious for once, almost... One night, I did finally see something that my husband and I were sure was a UFO. Oh, it was the most amazing thing we saw. It flew in all weird directions and circles, and we heard no engine. It almost looked like it was hovering on many occasions. Then we saw it land in the nearby airport. So I very much doubt it was a UFO anymore. We are guessing something happened in testing some good equipment the gov't is inventing and they had to make an emergency landing of some sort for some reason. Anyway, the point is that UFO's often are not aliens but top secret gov't machines that you may some day find on the future weapons show. Oh that guy is so hot on future weapons. Anyway, those things might be listed in our DOD systems, and those things are for people with top secret clearances only, and a pot head would fail the drug test you have to pass to go as far as filling out the application for a secret clearance.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my two cents on that as irrelevant as it is.

That's a very good point. But we protect the real spies, probably in interest of national security. But since we are a gov't by the people for the people, the least they could do is give us some sort of media friendly update on it all. Seriously, i don't think they are doing anything to investigate the people in power. C'mon, 9/11 could not have happened without help from some higher ups in our government. I hope the FBI knows who they are and have dealt with them. Of course that stuff doesn't get into the press because America wants to hear about the Muslims involved. Nevermind the Christians/whatever that took part in it. The way I feel about it, the guy from the other country attacked ours in his own way. He should be dealt with no different than war, except that he did break the laws of armed conflict, so then also as a criminal. But the citizens that helped the enemy should suffer a worse fate because they are not just criminals nor acting in war, but they are traitors and should be imprisoned with the worst fate I can think of, a fate worse than hell, they should be imprisoned with the sex offenders.

I understand not agreeing with everything our gov't does, but that doesn't mean to switch sides except for extreme circumstances like the Revolutionary War, becuase technically we were founded by switching sides I guess. Either way, the traitors are still free. That's of much higer priority than some pot head trying to find UFO's. I say keep it simple stupid. Question him as much as we can, use some truth syrum and then let him face normal court with a creative sentence and spy on him regardless for the next 10 years. Why do I say creative sentence? Like I said earlier. Imagine this pothead in jail smoking something someone got snuck in to the jail with a guy who would love to rob a bank, and this guy is like, you don't have to go into the bank to rob it, you can rob it from your own computer. Yeah, I don't think I want this guy giving advice and teaching our criminals in the jails to hack into computers. Nor do I want him to gain the backbone you grow in jail and decide human life has little value so he can do whatever he wants because in prison, might is right, and if this guy learns that, then we don't want to see what he'd be capable of.

firstly, I just want to say - I've seen a UFO

Last summer, on a bright sunny day whilst sat an balcony. It was like a huge black rectangle and seemed to track through the sky really smoothly - didn't hear anything - and as it was disapearing from sight over the apex of the roof it really did appear to be morphing into a cylinder or something.

I asked myself during the experience if it wasn't just a black parachute or something but it did not billow and appeared perfectly flat and solid.
I know I wasn't imagining because I turned to the two people I was with who were sat in conversation with each other and said rather excitedly:
"what the f*ck is that!??"

they both saw it also and said in more or less unison "I don't know"


The thing about Gary McKinnon - I don't know how much exposure the case has had in the US press or what bias has been put on it but in the UK there have been a fair few stories here and there along the way - I don't live there now but anyway...

My sincere opinion of him is that he is pretty much harmless - I know he hacked into the military - which is potentially very harmful - but what I mean is I truly think what he says he was doing and why is the truth.

A light sentence in a UK prison is probably enough - he already regrets what he did so much that I really don't think he ever attempt a repeat performance tbh

I don't think he needs to be spied on for 10 years and definitely not thrown into a US jail for decades.

If you want to hear his story there is an interview with him on BBC radio4 - it's probably archived on their website - I don't have a link to hand unfortunately otherwise I'd link to it for you

I think the people at Radio4 felt quite sorry for him and the tone of the interview is kind of like 'telling him off' but really trying to show that the extradition effort is way over the top.

I hope you can listen to it, it brings some clarity to who the US govt. are trying to put in prison for up to 70 years.

He never actually caused any threat by his actions either - I think it's all to do with the ego of the US military - he made them look bad and they can't handle that.

Also he may well of found something of what he was looking for and there's no way that's going to be allowed to get to the public unless it's on their terms *shrugs*

As said - I hope you can listen to it.

This might be a dumb question, but, why would the US government leave confidential information about UFO's and military positions on a computer that's connected to the internet? Especially without some kind of 'Enigma' to encode the data?

So personnel in the space fleet could access it?

good point - but it doesn't mean they didn't

All government systems are password protected, first by operator, login, then by access, it is by section and level.

So he is lying about hacking the Army, Navy, NASA, Pentagon, to the higher levels without a password, and encription is common at those levels.

We put IRS agents in jail for looking at someone's tax return without a reason. There is a trace on everything, Gary showed up as a red light on day one, and was watched.

He says UFO, we say advanced research air and space systems.

British Intelligence has targeted our technology for a long time.

We know because we spy on their spies.

They do not do it from headquarters, traceable, they use fronts, like Gary, deniability.

This is not about Gary.

Welcome to the game.

You have to wonder what the guy thought he would find. It seems far fetched. Why would the government keep information about ETs on a computer and not share it with everyone? Why would they not want the information made public. Seems like they would make a huge deal out of it and get everyone interested so they can market it. They could make an industry out of it, like with Roswell. So why would it be classified?

"..and not share it with anyone else?"

OMG, are you serious??

I feel sorry for him... Bloody America is screwed up! Rapists don't even get 70 years! That Fritzel guy only got 27!

B******s!

Wow, sounds like you live in a Tom Clancey novel, dude.

You conject that 'he is lying' - that sounds rather definite - can you back it up?

I spend a lot of time looking into conspiracies - not the crappy ones, the tenable ones, but tbh it really sounds like your trying to inflate a conspiracy where there isn't one.

First he worked for the Chinese now he was a front and fall guy for M16 - which begs the question - if he was working for the SIS why on Earth would they allow him to be extradited to the land of Uncle Scam where he could spill the beans in a second with a small helping of sodium pentathol? hmm, they'd more likely keep him where they could continue to utilise his apparently really amazing ( according to you) hacker skills...or at the very least suicide him before he was shipped out to face his 70 years.

It's funny that you can't handle that some stupid bozo's in the US military left their consoles password unprotected

And what a nice way to talk about your allies too. - Although I'd agre that both of our governments are about as straight as a $3 bill.

As said, focus on the REAL spies on and in your government not dopey stoners who used a WELL KNOWN piece of software that scan for machines not password protected - he was on a DIAL UP ffs And, as it goes, he wasn't 'being watched', he screwed up by trying to type messages on a terminal whilst the operator was there. He said a lot of sh*t about the Gulf War and nasty things about the administration - that's how they traced him.

It appears that your nationalism makes you immune to any reasoning outside your paradigm imho

ARASS - I've never heard of that before..for suppressed tech blatting about the sky we say unidentified flying object.

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