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03 Mar 2013, 9:39 pm

I think blackboard is more generic.

I have a whiteboard in my office (it used to be the conference room) and it is occasionally referred to as the blackboard.



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03 Mar 2013, 9:57 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
(ATTENTION: This post is tongue in cheek satire about the victimization of everyone and it's effects on language usage)

A particular word may have several meanings or may eveolve into taking on other meanings. Take the word "hot". It means a high temperature. "It's hot outside". Then it came to also mean stolen. "That car is hot". How illogical that is! The car may be hot (stolen) but the temperature of it, or inside it, is the same as other cars. What is that implying? We could say that it's offensive and disrespectful to people who have fevers to use the word "hot" (meaning high temperature) to refer to something in a negative way, such as stolen property. It's downright bullying!

Then things get confusing. "Hot" can also mean "very good looking" or "very desirable". "He's hot!" or "Ipad is the hottest item on the market right now". It could be pointed out that saying someone is hot is not only sexist, it's probably ageist and looksist as well and is a form of bullying because it implies that others are not hot. Using such borderline hate speech could also be offensive to those with fevers, especially people with chronic infections that cause fevers. However, using it to imply desirability is a good thing, unless you factor in the evils of consumerism.

We could get back to the whole temperature "hot and cold" ideas, but by now the word has been ruined and calls to mind all sorts of terrible connotations, so the safest and kindest way to deal with temperature issues is to simply pretend that they do not exist. After all, noticing that something is warmer or cooler is the first step in discriminating against it because of the temperature. The same could be said for those who are nice looking and items that sell well. As for stolen property, it's a very delicate situation because we don't want to downplay the suffering that the person who is challanged in the area of recognizing and respecting others property and rights. We don't want to use slang to refer to their actions, which are not their fault, but societies fault. By being flippant and using slang to refer to stolen items, we downplay and disrespect the pain of the person who is forced to steal.

As a result of the many offenses, both intended and unintended, when using the word "hot" and all that it may or may not imply, it is probably a very good idea to not only strike the word from our vocabularies, but also the concepts behind all meanings of the word.

This is discrimination! You "forgot" 'hot zone' and 'hot spot', as well as several of the following definitions from the Free Online Dictionary:

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1.
a. Having or giving off heat; capable of burning.
b. Being at a high temperature.
2. Being at or exhibiting a temperature that is higher than normal or desirable: a hot forehead.
3. Causing a burning sensation, as in the mouth; spicy: hot peppers; a hot curry.
4.
a. Charged or energized with electricity: a hot wire.
b. Radioactive, especially to a dangerous degree.
5.
a. Marked by intensity of emotion; ardent or fiery: a hot temper.
b. Having or displaying great enthusiasm; eager: hot for travel.
6.
a. Informal Arousing intense interest, excitement, or controversy: a hot new book; a hot topic.
b. Informal Marked by excited activity or energy: a hot week on the stock market.
c. Violent; raging: a hot battle.
7. Slang Sexually excited or exciting.
8. Slang
a. Recently stolen: a hot car.
b. Wanted by the police: a hot suspect.
9. Close to a successful solution or conclusion: hot on the trail.
10. Informal
a. Most recent; new or fresh: a hot news item; the hot fashions for fall.
b. Currently very popular or successful: one of the hottest young talents around.
c. Requiring immediate action or attention: a hot opportunity.
11. Slang Very good or impressive. Often used in the negative: I'm not so hot at math.
12. Slang Funny or absurd: told a hot one about the neighbors' dog.
13. Slang
a. Performing with great skill and daring: a hot drummer.
b. Having or characterized by repeated successes: a player who is on a hot streak.
c. Fast and responsive: a hot sports car.
d. Unusually lucky: hot at craps.
14. Music Of, relating to, or being an emotionally charged style of performance marked by strong rhythms and improvisation: hot jazz.
15. Bold and bright.
n. hots (hts)
Slang Strong sexual attraction or desire. Used with the.
adv.
1. In a hot manner; hotly.
2. While hot: foods that are best eaten hot.
tr.v. hot·ted, hot·ting, hots
Informal To cause to increase in intensity or excitement. Often used with up: "His book is an exercise in the fashionable art of instant history, in which every episode is hotted up with an anecdote" (Harper's).

Neither did you take any of these idioms into acount:
hot and bothered
hot and heavy
hot to trot Slang
hot under the collar Informal
make it hot for


I can only assume that you are ignoring these equal definitions in a sinister attempt to belittle them. Accidental? I think not! Shame on you!


Just in case there is any doubt, this post isn't serious.

Your post is hilarious, OliveOilMom! :thumright:


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03 Mar 2013, 10:22 pm

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I believe 'black boards' morphed into 'chalkboards' because school chalk boards have been colored green for the last sixty plus years. Not because of race.


Why not call them green boards?

because some were still black, and some were green, and some were even blue.

EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!



Damn, I've gotta stop believing everything I read about political correctness.


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04 Mar 2013, 12:04 am

Skilpadde wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
(ATTENTION: This post is tongue in cheek satire about the victimization of everyone and it's effects on language usage)

A particular word may have several meanings or may eveolve into taking on other meanings. Take the word "hot". It means a high temperature. "It's hot outside". Then it came to also mean stolen. "That car is hot". How illogical that is! The car may be hot (stolen) but the temperature of it, or inside it, is the same as other cars. What is that implying? We could say that it's offensive and disrespectful to people who have fevers to use the word "hot" (meaning high temperature) to refer to something in a negative way, such as stolen property. It's downright bullying!

Then things get confusing. "Hot" can also mean "very good looking" or "very desirable". "He's hot!" or "Ipad is the hottest item on the market right now". It could be pointed out that saying someone is hot is not only sexist, it's probably ageist and looksist as well and is a form of bullying because it implies that others are not hot. Using such borderline hate speech could also be offensive to those with fevers, especially people with chronic infections that cause fevers. However, using it to imply desirability is a good thing, unless you factor in the evils of consumerism.

We could get back to the whole temperature "hot and cold" ideas, but by now the word has been ruined and calls to mind all sorts of terrible connotations, so the safest and kindest way to deal with temperature issues is to simply pretend that they do not exist. After all, noticing that something is warmer or cooler is the first step in discriminating against it because of the temperature. The same could be said for those who are nice looking and items that sell well. As for stolen property, it's a very delicate situation because we don't want to downplay the suffering that the person who is challanged in the area of recognizing and respecting others property and rights. We don't want to use slang to refer to their actions, which are not their fault, but societies fault. By being flippant and using slang to refer to stolen items, we downplay and disrespect the pain of the person who is forced to steal.

As a result of the many offenses, both intended and unintended, when using the word "hot" and all that it may or may not imply, it is probably a very good idea to not only strike the word from our vocabularies, but also the concepts behind all meanings of the word.

This is discrimination! You "forgot" 'hot zone' and 'hot spot', as well as several of the following definitions from the Free Online Dictionary:

Quote:
1.
a. Having or giving off heat; capable of burning.
b. Being at a high temperature.
2. Being at or exhibiting a temperature that is higher than normal or desirable: a hot forehead.
3. Causing a burning sensation, as in the mouth; spicy: hot peppers; a hot curry.
4.
a. Charged or energized with electricity: a hot wire.
b. Radioactive, especially to a dangerous degree.
5.
a. Marked by intensity of emotion; ardent or fiery: a hot temper.
b. Having or displaying great enthusiasm; eager: hot for travel.
6.
a. Informal Arousing intense interest, excitement, or controversy: a hot new book; a hot topic.
b. Informal Marked by excited activity or energy: a hot week on the stock market.
c. Violent; raging: a hot battle.
7. Slang Sexually excited or exciting.
8. Slang
a. Recently stolen: a hot car.
b. Wanted by the police: a hot suspect.
9. Close to a successful solution or conclusion: hot on the trail.
10. Informal
a. Most recent; new or fresh: a hot news item; the hot fashions for fall.
b. Currently very popular or successful: one of the hottest young talents around.
c. Requiring immediate action or attention: a hot opportunity.
11. Slang Very good or impressive. Often used in the negative: I'm not so hot at math.
12. Slang Funny or absurd: told a hot one about the neighbors' dog.
13. Slang
a. Performing with great skill and daring: a hot drummer.
b. Having or characterized by repeated successes: a player who is on a hot streak.
c. Fast and responsive: a hot sports car.
d. Unusually lucky: hot at craps.
14. Music Of, relating to, or being an emotionally charged style of performance marked by strong rhythms and improvisation: hot jazz.
15. Bold and bright.
n. hots (hts)
Slang Strong sexual attraction or desire. Used with the.
adv.
1. In a hot manner; hotly.
2. While hot: foods that are best eaten hot.
tr.v. hot·ted, hot·ting, hots
Informal To cause to increase in intensity or excitement. Often used with up: "His book is an exercise in the fashionable art of instant history, in which every episode is hotted up with an anecdote" (Harper's).

Neither did you take any of these idioms into acount:
hot and bothered
hot and heavy
hot to trot Slang
hot under the collar Informal
make it hot for


I can only assume that you are ignoring these equal definitions in a sinister attempt to belittle them. Accidental? I think not! Shame on you!


Just in case there is any doubt, this post isn't serious.

Your post is hilarious, OliveOilMom! :thumright:


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I am so sorry! You are correct. I did neglect those other words and concepts. It was not intentional discrimination, but it was without a doubt, discrimination. I would offer to flog myself at the altar of NewSpeak but the word altar may offend those who dislike religion or who dislike religions that have churches or houses of worship that use altars. It's also similar to the word alter which may trigger someone with multiple personality disorder to feel that I'm insulting them, because multiples sometimes call their different personalities "alters". I could also be accused of bookism because those who can't read will never have read Orwell's "1984" and be unfamiliar with the word "NewSpeak" and I am therefore excluding them.

Thank you very much for pointing out what I did. It's amazing how insidious that discrimination is. We can discriminate and bully and insult so many people without even knowing or meaning to. Now that I'm aware of my deficiencies in speech and thinking I am going to attend several seminars, workshops, support groups, and consciousness raising meetings to correct my problems.

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04 Mar 2013, 6:13 am

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What is it, if not insensitivity or ignorance? And why is it so terrible to be dismissive toward people who are offended by political correctness, but not toward the people who are offended by ethnic slurs (however intended), homophobic implications, sexism, etc?


Those who are offended must ask themselves why they are offended This idea that, "you've said something that offends me, how dare you! You can't say that!" bothers me. It seems the use of a term is more important than meaning. That offending someone rests on using a term they don't like. That they've been socially conditioned to jump when a term is used, rather than understanding the intention of the user.

For that reason, I find the person bothered by politically incorrect terms much more offensive than someone who uses a politically incorrect term. The person using the non-PC term may not be ignorant or insensitive. The person using the non-PC term may wonder what the hell all the hoopla is about. And usually it's simply a case of "I don't like that term, or I've been told not to like that term, so therefore I have a right to be offended and you should change your vocabulary for MY sake."

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It seems to me you are the one with the ToM problem.
What do you mean by "your concerns in life may not be theirs"? This is a matter of someone asking (hopefully nicely) that a different word be used to describe something. Unless the offensiveness was intended you lose nothing by using a different word.


Suppose I'm a gay gypsy with a mentally ret*d brother. Someone replies, "That cashier gypped me. What a ret*d! How gay is that?"

In assessing the situation, the user was not slamming the Romani people, nor those who are truly mentally ret*d, nor is he being homophobic. In this scenario, while being a gypsy, being gay, and having a ret*d relative are aspects of my identity, they don't play a part in his identity. He may not know the meaning of the word gypsy. He may have nothing against those who are actually ret*d or homosexual. So for me to cause an uproar is a reflection of my own personal aspects of self which may not have any bearing on his life...nor should they.

If he said, "I hate gays, gypsies, and ret*ds," it would be another story. But in this case, he's not thinking about those terms in the way they would be relative to my life. While gypsy/ret*d/gay may have emotional meanings for me as they're pertinent to my life, they don't in his. For me to get upset and say "how dare you!" would be an attempt to force my emotions onto him, when he wasn't even thinking about real gypsies/the mentally ret*d/gays when making the statement.


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If you truly cannot find a way to express your opinions and beliefs without saying something that has been pointed out to you as having homophobic/sexist/racist connotations, you either have a dire need for a thesaurus or your opinions and beliefs actually are homophobic/sexist/racist. If so, own it. If you are those things and want to be, you have no business getting offended when you are called on it.


And we get to the root of it. I don't share your views on being PC. I'm critical of aspects of being PC. Therefore, I must be a closeted racist/sexist/homophobe, what have you.

What I don't like is this idea that "WE" have decided it's "wrong" to say X under any circumstances, therefore the use of the word X gives us carte blanche to be offended.

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But as far as I can see, what you've described is indeed either ignorance (offense wasn't intended) or insensitivity (you just don't feel like changing your phrasing for anyone else's sake).


...but it's okay for them to require you change your vocabulary for their sake?



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EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!


You can't even say the word "black" anymore in the UK without hearing the R word echoing around. In my school, teachers would refer to the blackboard as "the board" and openly discourage any use of the correct colour. It's political correctness set to an impossible standard - one with which I will not comply.



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EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!


You can't even say the word "black" anymore in the UK without hearing the R word echoing around. In my school, teachers would refer to the blackboard as "the board" and openly discourage any use of the correct colour. It's political correctness set to an impossible standard - one with which I will not comply.

it seems to be an urban legend that it was ever barred due to political correctness:

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In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


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EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!


You can't even say the word "black" anymore in the UK without hearing the R word echoing around. In my school, teachers would refer to the blackboard as "the board" and openly discourage any use of the correct colour. It's political correctness set to an impossible standard - one with which I will not comply.

it seems to be an urban legend that it was ever barred due to political correctness:

Quote:
False accusations
In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


It's a sad day when noticing and acknowledging that someone else is a different color implies racism. Just because you notice it and admit that you notice it doesn't mean that you think they are inferior in any way. It simply means that you aren't blind.


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04 Mar 2013, 7:30 am

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hyperlexian wrote:
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EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!


You can't even say the word "black" anymore in the UK without hearing the R word echoing around. In my school, teachers would refer to the blackboard as "the board" and openly discourage any use of the correct colour. It's political correctness set to an impossible standard - one with which I will not comply.

it seems to be an urban legend that it was ever barred due to political correctness:

Quote:
False accusations
In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


It's a sad day when noticing and acknowledging that someone else is a different color implies racism. Just because you notice it and admit that you notice it doesn't mean that you think they are inferior in any way. It simply means that you aren't blind.

the chalkboard/blackboard controversy wasn't related to anyone's skin colour, it was related to a bogus news story.


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In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


Well if it's all a myth then that's pretty refreshing. In fact I'd rather it was. To think that these "authority figures" programmed us to believe their mistakes in fear that we'd be "bad" or "wrong" people....is appalling. People create problems where there weren't any before. Who the hell ever said "pass me the black pen" and meant it in a degrading way? I've noticed it's PC holier-than-thou white people who invent these "issues", and then minorities hop on board and use them to their advantage. Not a good game to play.



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04 Mar 2013, 7:53 am

people tell me stuff that i find arduous to listen to, and i fail to comprehend it because i do not care much and when i tell them i am not very much interested they advertise my disinterest to other people and i become a social pariah.

why should i be roped into what i see as a social quagmire, and be considered a bad person because i have nothing to add to it?

i have no interest at all in other peoples angst because they are not relevant to my life.

i will help people in genuine distress as best i can, but i will always hand them over to professionals as soon as it is possible.

why am i a bad person for simply living my life alone?

i make many social mistakes that result in flying feathers that may choke the respiration of reaosnable people.

i just say what i think, and i am surprised to see people sucked into a social brawl that i instigated without my further involvement.

last week i commented that because of the improved safety regulations and practices of airlines, that the show "air crash investigation" was doomed because they have no new shows to compile, and that was all i said (in the tea room of countrywide), and i exited the situation and some people embarked on a social fight that was supposedly sparked by what i said.

i was considered by a boss to be the instigator of that argument, but i left the building before the altercation began.



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OliveOilMom wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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EDIT - actually, it's just a north american vs british thing - they called them blackboards in the UK and chalkboards in the US (and to some degree in Canada), just as a matter of tradition. funny that people see "political correctness" where there isn't any!


You can't even say the word "black" anymore in the UK without hearing the R word echoing around. In my school, teachers would refer to the blackboard as "the board" and openly discourage any use of the correct colour. It's political correctness set to an impossible standard - one with which I will not comply.

it seems to be an urban legend that it was ever barred due to political correctness:

Quote:
False accusations
In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


It's a sad day when noticing and acknowledging that someone else is a different color implies racism. Just because you notice it and admit that you notice it doesn't mean that you think they are inferior in any way. It simply means that you aren't blind.

the chalkboard/blackboard controversy wasn't related to anyone's skin colour, it was related to a bogus news story.


I know, but the reason they were supposedly not saying it was because "black" implied racism. The root of the issue in the story seems to imply that even mentioning something that is similar to noticing a difference is the same as discrimination. I'm sayng that with the whole PC issue and wannabe word police that we may eventually get to the point where noticing and acknowleding that someone is a different race will be considered the same as making a statement that is actually racist. While the story was fake, the ideas presented in it could very well eventually come to pass IMO.


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Whether or not a person celebrates Christmas, Christmas is a recognized holiday in many parts of the world. I don't see anything wrong with saying Merry Christmas to anyone regardless of their religion.

Over the years, I have known plenty of people who are not at all Christian who have absolutely problem with wishing or being wished "Merry Christmas". I've even eaten Christmas Dinner with some.


Here, again, you mistake the motive. I do not wish people a "Happy Holidays" because I consider term the term "Merry Christmas" to be offensive or insensitive. I only say it when I do not know what the person in question celebrates. If I know for a fact that a person is a devout Christian and that Christmas is important to them, then I will say "Merry Christmas." If I see a person wearing a "I <3 Christmas" sweater, then I know what to say.

However, I see no reason to presume that a random stranger with no obvious inclinations celebrates Christmas. Thus, "Happy Holidays." It covers all possible bases, and I may learn that they celebrate something else (which they may not have been as eager to share with me if I had presumed otherwise, lest they be considered contrarian).

I use "Happy Holidays" for the same reason. Around here people seem to take it as an anti-Christian message, and a couple of them said emphatically (& kind of grumpily) "Merry Christmas" in return. One lady even said to me, "oh, you are being politically correct". I was not saying it to be politically correct, but it would have been too much to explain so I just didn't. :roll:



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04 Mar 2013, 8:18 am

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In the United Kingdom, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[42] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [43] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[44] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.[45] See also Baa Baa White Sheep.

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perhaps some teachers feared the new stories were true and were afraid they would get into trouble so they pre-emptively stopped using the word. but the word was never actually barred because of its supposed implied racism. there is a big difference there.


Well if it's all a myth then that's pretty refreshing. In fact I'd rather it was. To think that these "authority figures" programmed us to believe their mistakes in fear that we'd be "bad" or "wrong" people....is appalling. People create problems where there weren't any before. Who the hell ever said "pass me the black pen" and meant it in a degrading way? I've noticed it's PC holier-than-thou white people who invent these "issues", and then minorities hop on board and use them to their advantage. Not a good game to play.

well, i think the problems come from the other side, most of the time. most of the time the problems are created by people who react against political correctness. these storms-in-a-teacup are manufactured examples of "political correctness gone mad" and are usually created and promoted by right wing media as a way of furthering their own agenda (i.e. anti-desegregation in the south in the past, anti-multiculturalism more recently worldwide, and now it is usually an anti-immigration bent). it pays to examine where the stories are actually coming from.

i don't think anyone ever said "pass me the black pen" and meant it in a racist way, and i don't think that any minority groups would accuse anyone of doing so. but i DO think that xenophobic right wing groups with an agenda would create a story where it actually happened.


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04 Mar 2013, 8:28 am

alpineglow wrote:
scarp wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Whether or not a person celebrates Christmas, Christmas is a recognized holiday in many parts of the world. I don't see anything wrong with saying Merry Christmas to anyone regardless of their religion.

Over the years, I have known plenty of people who are not at all Christian who have absolutely problem with wishing or being wished "Merry Christmas". I've even eaten Christmas Dinner with some.


Here, again, you mistake the motive. I do not wish people a "Happy Holidays" because I consider term the term "Merry Christmas" to be offensive or insensitive. I only say it when I do not know what the person in question celebrates. If I know for a fact that a person is a devout Christian and that Christmas is important to them, then I will say "Merry Christmas." If I see a person wearing a "I <3 Christmas" sweater, then I know what to say.

However, I see no reason to presume that a random stranger with no obvious inclinations celebrates Christmas. Thus, "Happy Holidays." It covers all possible bases, and I may learn that they celebrate something else (which they may not have been as eager to share with me if I had presumed otherwise, lest they be considered contrarian).

I use "Happy Holidays" for the same reason. Around here people seem to take it as an anti-Christian message, and a couple of them said emphatically (& kind of grumpily) "Merry Christmas" in return. One lady even said to me, "oh, you are being politically correct". I was not saying it to be politically correct, but it would have been too much to explain so I just didn't. :roll:


I don't understand why it's offensive to wish someone a Merry Christmas if they aren't Christian or don't celebrate Christmas. Dec 25th is Christmas day whether or not someone celebrates it. They can still have a nice day on the 25th even if they downright hate Christmas. I wouldn't be offended if someone wished me a happy whatever their religious holiday was thats different from mine. I would think it was nice of them to tell me good wishes. It's getting ridiculous about what people get offended about. I think that the PC folks should say "Have a pleasant generic Winter holiday".


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