Can iq change over time
09 Sep 2009, 3:07 am
i mean someone when he was a child was mildly retarted with an iq of 69 and when he reached adulthood his iq went up 18 points and now is 87 can this happen and this person is no longer MR???(because i saw in another post on another topic that someone said as he learns more neurons makes connections)...
09 Sep 2009, 6:55 am
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
09 Sep 2009, 7:02 am
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
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09 Sep 2009, 7:06 am
I.Q's not only change over long periods of time, but they also change from day to day.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
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09 Sep 2009, 7:09 am
cyberscan wrote:
I.Q's not only change over long periods of time, but they also change from day to day.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
does sleep deprivation reduce iq???because i did an iq test very sleepy,totally sleep deprived and i scored in the borderline retarted range on an iq test i did when i was in army and now this is haunting me....
09 Sep 2009, 7:11 am
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
09 Sep 2009, 7:13 am
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
yeah but isnt retardation a supposed brain condition like autism????
09 Sep 2009, 7:16 am
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
yeah but isnt retardation a supposed brain condition like autism????
Retardation is usually CAUSED by brain condition, but retardation itself is not. Different people can have IQ on ret*d range for a number of reasons, ranging from Down's syndrome, to Fragile X, to autism.
Now, sure, the underlying condition can not be reversed. But still, there can always be more than one factor in an equation. On the one hand, there is that condition that makes person ret*d. On the other hand, the person trained IQ so much that, if he was a normal person to begin with, he would have become mensa by now. Put the two factors together, and you get an average between "mensa" (due to training) and "ret*d" (due to underlying condition) which would produce average IQ.
09 Sep 2009, 7:22 am
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
yeah but isnt retardation a supposed brain condition like autism????
Retardation is usually CAUSED by brain condition, but retardation itself is not. Different people can have IQ on ret*d range for a number of reasons, ranging from Down's syndrome, to Fragile X, to autism.
Now, sure, the underlying condition can not be reversed. But still, there can always be more than one factor in an equation. On the one hand, there is that condition that makes person ret*d. On the other hand, the person trained IQ so much that, if he was a normal person to begin with, he would have become mensa by now. Put the two factors together, and you get an average between "mensa" (due to training) and "ret*d" (due to underlying condition) which would produce average IQ.
by that logic mental retardation doesn't exist
i may never prove that i am not MR,they have ruined my nice life,i wanted to be a musician but who would want to listen to a ''retarted'' musician,since i am retarted in the papers because i faild this f****** iq test because i was sleep deprived
they wanted to see if i could handle this
http://img152.imageshack.us/i/28wc2.jpg/#q=bmp3
09 Sep 2009, 7:22 am
Chief__ wrote:
cyberscan wrote:
I.Q's not only change over long periods of time, but they also change from day to day.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
does sleep deprivation reduce iq???because i did an iq test very sleepy,totally sleep deprived and i scored in the borderline retarted range on an iq test i did when i was in army and now this is haunting me....
There is nothing magical about IQ test ... as far as your brain is concerned, it is the same as any other task. So if your performance on other tasks is worse when you are sleepy (which you should know from experience one way or the other), the same goes for your performance on IQ test.
09 Sep 2009, 7:24 am
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
cyberscan wrote:
I.Q's not only change over long periods of time, but they also change from day to day.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
does sleep deprivation reduce iq???because i did an iq test very sleepy,totally sleep deprived and i scored in the borderline retarted range on an iq test i did when i was in army and now this is haunting me....
There is nothing magical about IQ test ... as far as your brain is concerned, it is the same as any other task. So if your performance on other tasks is worse when you are sleepy (which you should know from experience one way or the other), the same goes for your performance on IQ test.
i mean when you are sleepy you can even kill yourself in a car accident
09 Sep 2009, 7:24 am
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
I don't see why not. Take a normal student. At first he has average math skills, and then after a lot of training he becomes above average and wins math olimpiade. So if normal person can train his brain, so does the person who is mentally ret*d. I mean, it is much like training the muscles. Yes, you are born with either stronger or weaker body, but you can still train it; so the same goes for the brain.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
As far as your point of a person no longer being mentally ret*d, you have to remember that IQ=70 line is man-made. So, if there is nothing strange of going from IQ=102 to IQ=104, there shoudn't be anything strange with going from IQ=69 to IQ=71, even though the latter makes you "formally" cross certain man-made line. So the same argument applies to a bigger gap that you have mentioned. Normal ppl training for MENSA do increase their IQ by 18 points, so if they can do it, ppl with mr can do it too.
i mean he may stop being mentally retarted
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
yeah but isnt retardation a supposed brain condition like autism????
Retardation is usually CAUSED by brain condition, but retardation itself is not. Different people can have IQ on ret*d range for a number of reasons, ranging from Down's syndrome, to Fragile X, to autism.
Now, sure, the underlying condition can not be reversed. But still, there can always be more than one factor in an equation. On the one hand, there is that condition that makes person ret*d. On the other hand, the person trained IQ so much that, if he was a normal person to begin with, he would have become mensa by now. Put the two factors together, and you get an average between "mensa" (due to training) and "ret*d" (due to underlying condition) which would produce average IQ.
by that logic mental retardation doesn't exist
i may never prove that i am not MR,they have ruined my nice life,i wanted to be a musician but who would want to listen to a ''retarted'' musician,since i am retarted in the papers because i faild this f****** iq test because i was sleep deprived
they wanted to see if i could handle this
http://img152.imageshack.us/i/28wc2.jpg/#q=bmp3
First of all, your diagnoses are your privite information. No one forces you to disclose any of them unless YOU want to.
Secondly, you can always re-take IQ test when you are awake, and your papers will change.
09 Sep 2009, 7:25 am
Face it guys - who and what we are depends to a ridiculous extent on the people we depend on and what they think of us.
For aspies, as for any other disability, not just the nature of the test, but the background against which we see it is critical.
The numbers are just a guide for the normals around us to treat us by, not any representation of who we are in essence.
09 Sep 2009, 7:25 am
Chief__ wrote:
Roman wrote:
Chief__ wrote:
cyberscan wrote:
I.Q's not only change over long periods of time, but they also change from day to day.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
I have tested anywhere from the mentally ret*d range all the way to genius level. "I.Q." depend upon a number of things that tests do not take into account. Some of these things include the willingness of the test taker to do his or her best, how well the test taker is feeling that day, visual or hearing problems that the test taker may have during testing, and even how much sleep the test taker had the previous night. There is also factors involving the culture of the testtaker and information exposure of the test taker. In essence, there are so many variable that are not accounted for that make extreme innaccuracies in testing.
does sleep deprivation reduce iq???because i did an iq test very sleepy,totally sleep deprived and i scored in the borderline retarted range on an iq test i did when i was in army and now this is haunting me....
There is nothing magical about IQ test ... as far as your brain is concerned, it is the same as any other task. So if your performance on other tasks is worse when you are sleepy (which you should know from experience one way or the other), the same goes for your performance on IQ test.
i mean when you are sleepy you can even kill yourself in a car accident
Yes, and this answers your question that you CAN have lower IQ performance if you are sleepy.
09 Sep 2009, 9:24 am
Quoting Roman:
Quote:
Like I said, if a person who is not mentally ret*d can change IQ, I don't see why a ret*d person can not do the same "simply" because he will stop being ret*d. I mean, the word "ret*d" is man-made, so there is nothing magical about that word that would stop people from getting out of the range of IQ-s the word happened to refer to?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
Suppose on some other planet people are more intelligent than us, so most of us who are normal on earth will be "ret*d" in that planet. Then someone here on earth trained and reached mensa level, over time. Then according to that planet's measuring system, he "stopped being ret*d". So if he could "stop being ret*d" on that fictitious planet, why can't something similar happen on earth, to someone who is ret*d by this earth's standards?
Roman - you are providing some really excellent answers.
Chief, I agree with Roman. Don't put so much stock in what people label each other. IQ is just a number and it can change, sometimes drastically over time as in Roman's analogy of the Olympics and athletes. Besides, testing the brain with a so called standard written IQ test is not an accurate way to measure intelligence. It's what people do with their lives and how they treat other people and the rest of the world around them that determines their intelligence
