"You don't have to offload every thought in your head&q

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06 Mar 2010, 6:05 am

A friend has said this to me.

I thought about it, and yes, I do admit that I get thoughts stuck in my head that don't go away until I tell someone the thought.

Apparently NTs don't tend to do it as much as aspies.

My question is, how do they achieve that? I can actually see the logic of why someone else doesn't necessarily want this thought blurted to them,
... BUT I know that these thought going round my head (and the ones to come in other days) are going to go round and round, and the only way of stopping them is to tell someone,
OR if something much worse happens.

And I don't want the cure to be to wait for a bigger disaster to happen. That's SO not good! :lol:



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06 Mar 2010, 6:22 am

I don't think they think about the stuff we think about.
I find writing all my thoughts down in a journal or a blog helps me get over them.


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06 Mar 2010, 6:42 am

I do this sometimes, but talking is draining.
Sometimes I keep my thoughts in my head but I agree it is very uncomfortable.



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06 Mar 2010, 6:53 am

wow.. I know all abt this! ... even at 52 I can go on 'at length' .. tho I am different people in different situations.

My brain seems so much more 'turned on' than most NT type people, also maybe mostly preferring my own company means I follow lines of thought, read stuff etc that few other people do. So, I'm full of it ! !

Blogging helps offload and put down stuff that in time I will forget (memories and early years) so its a handy reminder and allows me to shed stuff. My problem is that i must be careful not to collar people and go on at length. That is quite difficult actually and even now I have literally to 'watch myself' in my minds eye to try and counter this. I've long since realised that I'll never encounter anyone with my set of interests/ reading / knowledge .. (Sis excepted) .... so i try hard not to go too far into any one subject after all why ? it only means increasing isolation.

There is no shame in being 'buzzing' ....its the numbskulls around you that need to improve their game.



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06 Mar 2010, 6:55 am

I think that that is more of an OCD ADHD issure. It's a problem equally for NTs with OCD and ADHD.



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06 Mar 2010, 7:00 am

This reminds me of obsessive thinking. It's something I have. It was worse when I was younger but it got better. I have learned to think of other things to keep my mind off something. It gets hard to control when I am upset or sad or depressed. Then I keep talking about it and it still doesn't leave my head. I'm stuck on it.

It's frustrating when other aspies expect me to get over something. My god don't they have that same issue too? Lot of aspies have obsessive thinking.



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06 Mar 2010, 7:23 am

pascalflower wrote:
I think that that is more of an OCD ADHD issure. It's a problem equally for NTs with OCD and ADHD.

Not really. If you have ADHD you can't be NT. ADHD is a neurological difference like autism.

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This reminds me of obsessive thinking. It's something I have. It was worse when I was younger but it got better. I have learned to think of other things to keep my mind off something. It gets hard to control when I am upset or sad or depressed. Then I keep talking about it and it still doesn't leave my head. I'm stuck on it.

It's frustrating when other aspies expect me to get over something. My god don't they have that same issue too? Lot of aspies have obsessive thinking.

I used to be pretty obsessive thinking too. I think I turned it off by going into story mode, that is making up stories in my head so I could forget about these thoughts. It used to be bad, especially when I was dealing with anxiety. Actually after I went on meds I noticed a change. That was probably it. I'm off them now but I'm less obsessional, even when it comes to my own special interests.


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06 Mar 2010, 7:40 am

I think NTs are as guilty of it as we are to some extent. The only thing is, they can read the 'I am bored' clues on other peoples' faces and quickly move on to regale their story to the next 'victim' when that happens.



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06 Mar 2010, 8:02 am

I think lot of people can move on easily. They talk about something that upset them and bam they are over it and they don't think about it anymore. They aren't stuck. But the ones with this problem aren't over it even when they talk about it. Even some aspies can do this too. I was surprised how quick my aspie ex got over things. If I pissed him off, he be over it within a few minutes. But for me it takes me longer to get over it. A simple apology makes me get over it a lot quicker. I still try and move on without an apology because not everyone is going to apologize. I eventually get over it but it takes me longer.

But when you are stuck and not getting over something, you get the "get over it" crap so I assume people can move on that easily so they expect you to do the same. It's amazing that some aspies do this too and you would expect them to understand due to obsessive thinking. Maybe they don't have that issue? So therefore they are not going to understand either.



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06 Mar 2010, 9:18 am

Whether or not any thought or idea (or fear or whatever else) might be disturbing to me or to anyone else, the typical one remains "stuck" in my mind until somehow "processed" ... and speaking it out loud is the most common way that can happen. After that, I can usually either dismiss it easily or file it away for later reference.

I try to be careful to not "buttonhole" other people and hold them captive so my own mind can clear at their expense -- I have been called passive-aggressive -- yet I do sometimes hope my own "processing-to-clear" efforts might inspire some deeper thinking within others even though it seems most either cannot or will not do that.


I have a bit of ignorance "stuck" here at the moment: Which "normal", ours or others, might be (or is) better for the most?


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06 Mar 2010, 11:17 am

I think that may be part of the problem. While you and I are mulling/obsessing over what is "better", most NTs tend to tell us to shut up not because it's not a valid question, they tell us to shut up because
- they're not interested
- it's irritating them as they want to do something else.



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06 Mar 2010, 11:56 am

SilentScream wrote:
A friend has said this to me.

I thought about it, and yes, I do admit that I get thoughts stuck in my head that don't go away until I tell someone the thought.

Apparently NTs don't tend to do it as much as aspies.

My question is, how do they achieve that? I can actually see the logic of why someone else doesn't necessarily want this thought blurted to them,
... BUT I know that these thought going round my head (and the ones to come in other days) are going to go round and round, and the only way of stopping them is to tell someone,
OR if something much worse happens.

And I don't want the cure to be to wait for a bigger disaster to happen. That's SO not good! :lol:


They are able to separate their processing of reality from their pretenses. This is what underpins their socialization functions and why they can lie.

They can thus have a divided mind, while we cannot.

For myself, if I don't express a thought and process the idea, when it's important, I just get a mental block and get stuck. So not voicing a thought is akin to installing blocks and dead ends in my mind.

Your friend shouldn't impose his standards on you. How can he understand what you need?



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06 Mar 2010, 1:45 pm

ephemerella wrote:
For myself, if I don't express a thought and process the idea, when it's important, I just get a mental block and get stuck. So not voicing a thought is akin to installing blocks and dead ends in my mind.


Yes, and for me, that also often causes me to feel like I am holding out (or holding back) on someone.


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06 Mar 2010, 10:09 pm

I just wrote my thoughts down in my journal and now I don't have a single thought left in my mind. :D


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07 Mar 2010, 12:00 am

I just dont say it, most of my thoughts do not leave my head


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07 Mar 2010, 2:46 pm

My take on this is that it has to do with that "Rigid adherence to frequently non-functional routine" thing. As Autistics, we tend to be very deliberate people. We seem incapable of doing anything without thinking it through first, and then establishing a procedure.

As an example; my wife and I have been together for 22 years. As such she has heard all of my stories multiple times, to the point of being able to recite them by rote. None the less, when I start a story that has, for sake of discussion, 5 points which I'll label A, B, C, D, and E, she knows the story. As an NT, she has no problem jumping from A to E, and will say "yes, I know the story". I, however, even though I know she knows, find it somewhere between difficult to impossible to make that mental jump myself. I have to go through each step to allow my mind to get to E, thus making noise and irritating her in the process.

Make sense?