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20 Apr 2010, 6:17 am

I read sight words at 3 and the simplest books such "Dick and Jane" aloud. I had some understanding of phonics but it was not explicitly taught. However, it was at 5 when my mother taught me how to truly master phonics and could read more unfamiliar words. When did I learn, 3 or 5?



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20 Apr 2010, 8:11 am

timeisdead wrote:
I read sight words at 3 and the simplest books such "Dick and Jane" aloud. I had some understanding of phonics but it was not explicitly taught. However, it was at 5 when my mother taught me how to truly master phonics and could read more unfamiliar words. When did I learn, 3 or 5?


Three. I was reading at 3 by sight. My daughter was reading at the fourth-grade level before she started kindergarten, by sight. I studied to be an elementary school teacher - including how to teach reading. About half of the kids who are taught phonics benefit greatly from it, if memory serves. The rest are primarily sight-readers. Either way works, as long as the meanings are conveyed.



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20 Apr 2010, 9:19 am

Three.
This may surprise you, but some people have never learned phonics, however we are still literate.



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20 Apr 2010, 10:35 am

Excuse me, but what exactly is the difference between learning "sight reading" and "phonics"? Isn't there only one way to read things?



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20 Apr 2010, 4:59 pm

sight reading relies on one recognizing the word as a whole (or simply by the spelling) and assigning a meaning to it. (for example, i can tell if a word is spelled properly by the shape of the entire word, which i suspect is a related skill.) you learn the word, hear it spoken (hopefully), and assign what you hear to what you see.

example (badly done) sight - c-a-t spells cat. [or, the picture of the word cat is equivalent to the meaning of "cat".]


phonics - cat = k sound, a= ah sound, t= t sound, put them together and you get kaht.



phonics breaks down words into small bits and you are expected to learn to pronounce the word based on putting the various bits together using the rules you learn. then you put a meaning on what you've done.

that's a very simplified explanation, of course, but a lot of kids do well with phonics. an equally (from the last lit i read on the subject) large number do very well with "sight" reading.

to me, phonics was a nightmare. i was in the first wave when they introduced phonics into the schools back in the 1960s and was so caught up with all the rules and regulations that i pretty much flunked phonics - although i was reading four to five years (with appropriate comprehension skills) ahead of grade level at the time. it was just one more thing to stress over, to "get right." the down side of my not mastering phonics is that i have a huge comprehension range as far as the english language; but, not having heard at least 75% of the words i recognize actually used as parts of ordinary (or not-so-ordinary) speech, i have a hard time using them (should i wish to) in speaking because i'm not quite sure how they're pronounced.



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20 Apr 2010, 5:10 pm

I was 3 as well.......never had phonics back then......just learnt how to read the only way I knew how :wink:

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20 Apr 2010, 6:10 pm

I was reading somewhat before age 3, in the dark ages before phonics.


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20 Apr 2010, 8:30 pm

Nan wrote:
sight reading relies on one recognizing the word as a whole (or simply by the spelling) and assigning a meaning to it. (for example, i can tell if a word is spelled properly by the shape of the entire word, which i suspect is a related skill.) you learn the word, hear it spoken (hopefully), and assign what you hear to what you see.

example (badly done) sight - c-a-t spells cat. [or, the picture of the word cat is equivalent to the meaning of "cat".]


phonics - cat = k sound, a= ah sound, t= t sound, put them together and you get kaht.



phonics breaks down words into small bits and you are expected to learn to pronounce the word based on putting the various bits together using the rules you learn. then you put a meaning on what you've done.

that's a very simplified explanation, of course, but a lot of kids do well with phonics. an equally (from the last lit i read on the subject) large number do very well with "sight" reading.

to me, phonics was a nightmare. i was in the first wave when they introduced phonics into the schools back in the 1960s and was so caught up with all the rules and regulations that i pretty much flunked phonics - although i was reading four to five years (with appropriate comprehension skills) ahead of grade level at the time. it was just one more thing to stress over, to "get right." the down side of my not mastering phonics is that i have a huge comprehension range as far as the english language; but, not having heard at least 75% of the words i recognize actually used as parts of ordinary (or not-so-ordinary) speech, i have a hard time using them (should i wish to) in speaking because i'm not quite sure how they're pronounced.


two words "new math"

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so simple, so very simple that only a child can do it


I lost what arithmetic I have ever known when, in my 7th grade and 8th grade, I was introduced to 'new math'. I loved the idea of 'congruence' and different bases to count in, probably opened my mind to the idea of other dimensions and realities beyond my own. But knowing how to do it? Not a chance. When they removed 'new math' from the curriculum I was released into regular math in 9th grade after 4 years and two summer sessions trying to pass the same math class I got a D- in my Senior year. (and they graduated me just to shut me up from bellyaching about it and get rid of me!)

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20 Apr 2010, 8:36 pm

I learned to read, when I was 8. I still have a hard time, unless the subject matter is something that I'm really interested in.


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20 Apr 2010, 8:47 pm

Yeah, I first read using an almost native language. It was almost like I took in the meaning, and could say the word as a secondary sort of feat. I read words, and later learned phonics. Phonics sort of condemned me to reading in english.



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20 Apr 2010, 8:49 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I learned to read, when I was 8. I still have a hard time, unless the subject matter is something that I'm really interested in.


I was reading sob as boss when I was five. I needed special tutoring to learn how to read. I always had a processing difficulty until college. I think my reading and processing got a bit better before then, but I always struggled with it. Sometimes I still do. Was reading Goosebumps when I was 8 or 9 but still had to re-read whole paragraphs to understand them.


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20 Apr 2010, 8:57 pm

My mom bought me books with tapes as a toddler and I really enjoyed memorizing the tapes. I was good at reciting them. When it came to learning to read, I didn't want to because I had grown accustomed to memorizing and reading was just so different. My mom had to teach me after school. Once I caught on, I excelled.
You began reading at three, but, do we ever truly master reading, or do we just keep learning due to excessive practice? Do we ever learn everything there is to know? Is it possible, or, do we only glimpse life in intervals and stages. We can never know all the answers in the brief span of a lifetime.



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20 Apr 2010, 9:38 pm

visagrunt wrote:
I was reading somewhat before age 3, in the dark ages before phonics.


These responses are very interesting. My mother told me the opposite; that sight words are a more recent development. I had to research it myself and found that this is a debate that continued over the past century. I'm more keen on phonics because it gives the child an ability to read novel words that he or she hasn't previously seen.

http://www.todays-learners.com/history- ... g-reading/



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20 Apr 2010, 11:59 pm

I was reading (well, decoding) by sight very very young. Phonics would just confuse me. Just like learning individual words is harder for me than learning groups of them.


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21 Apr 2010, 12:30 am

My parents made me read in my room, for an hour after dinner, the summer that I was 8, every night.


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