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28 May 2010, 2:52 pm

So, when I first realized I may have AS I didn't freak out or anything, it just seemed natural to me. I could relate SO much with everyone's stories and so many of the descriptions I see are so ME, I just thought that those things WERE me, not a disorder.

Now, I'm really starting to think about it and even without a diagnosis I feel pretty crappy because I'm about 90% sure I'm an Aspie. Even if I'm not, I have something very similar that's always mad me feel like an outsider. I've never truly felt like I had a "self". I'm chameleon like and I always have a facade of some sort. Learning that this is part of AS makes me wonder if I'll ever have a true self. I don't really want to become the person that I'm projecting all the time, that changes constantly anyway.

Not so psyched about this anymore.



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28 May 2010, 2:56 pm

What makes a personality true or not? A profound thought that I do not think any of us can answer.

Just do what makes you happy and go with it.


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28 May 2010, 3:01 pm

There are other disorders outside of the Autism Spectrum that can undermine your sense of self and make you a chameleon. There are treatments and depending on your exact diagnosis there can be great improvement. My ex-husband has that symptom because of Borderline Personality Disorder. He has a particularly noxious form of it and will probably never be happy, but many people with BPD are able to deal quite well with their symptoms if they are willing to work at it.



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28 May 2010, 3:02 pm

Ferdinand wrote:
What makes a personality true or not? A profound thought that I do not think any of us can answer.

Just do what makes you happy and go with it.


To me it's just acting a certain way and feeling comfortable in your own skin. I've never had that, I ALWAYS have some kind of facade. When I'm around others I almost immediately change and begin to act more like them or like another version of "myself" but it's never "me". I think if I were just "me" I'd never even talk, or do anything.



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28 May 2010, 3:04 pm

Perhaps then, it's a subconscious habit to prevent pain from awkward social behavior? If that is the case, I say just force yourself to be normal. That may sound counterproductive, but just perhaps it might work. You might, by habit, learn not to 'change skins'. Try that.


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28 May 2010, 3:08 pm

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Perhaps then, it's a subconscious habit to prevent pain from awkward social behavior? If that is the case, I say just force yourself to be normal. That may sound counterproductive, but just perhaps it might work. You might, by habit, learn not to 'change skins'. Try that.


I have. It works for awhile but it's just not a fix. I can either be something that's close to me but is an act or my TRUE self, but then I honestly believe I may never see people again. LOL, I know it sounds crazy but If I just stopped trying to pretend to be somewhat normal(and it's ALWAYS pretending) I wouldn't care about ANY of society's rules. I'd end up on the street, I wouldn't work, wouldn't talk to my family, anything. These things don't come naturally to me.



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28 May 2010, 3:10 pm

I would see a therapist then. I believe he/she can help you get disability checks, life help, etc., if your AS is so severe that it would inhibit every day life.

I wish you the best, friend. :)


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28 May 2010, 3:12 pm

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I would see a therapist then. I believe he/she can help you get disability checks, life help, etc., if your AS is so severe that it would inhibit every day life.

I wish you the best, friend. :)


Thanks. It's not a huge deal because I can function pretty normally, I just have to do it as somebody else. lol.



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28 May 2010, 3:14 pm

MotownDangerPants wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
What makes a personality true or not? A profound thought that I do not think any of us can answer.

Just do what makes you happy and go with it.


To me it's just acting a certain way and feeling comfortable in your own skin. I've never had that, I ALWAYS have some kind of facade. When I'm around others I almost immediately change and begin to act more like them or like another version of "myself" but it's never "me". I think if I were just "me" I'd never even talk, or do anything.


Sounds to me like this is the opposite of one of the main traits of Asperger's in that you're able to pick up and mirror social cues and behaviors of others? Seems like you're just insecure and eager to please, a lot more common than you'd think. I can relate to this and I know those two things are definitely my problem. Your "self" isn't necessarily defined by how you act around people you're uncomfortable with.



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28 May 2010, 3:16 pm

You should not accommodate yourself severely to fit someone else's life or to make end's meat. You should do what makes you happy, as long as it doesn't harm or hinder anyone's fun. I think Alex did an interview with Ms. Singer, and a group home was mentioned. You might want to look into that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_home


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28 May 2010, 3:34 pm

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MotownDangerPants wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
What makes a personality true or not? A profound thought that I do not think any of us can answer.

Just do what makes you happy and go with it.


To me it's just acting a certain way and feeling comfortable in your own skin. I've never had that, I ALWAYS have some kind of facade. When I'm around others I almost immediately change and begin to act more like them or like another version of "myself" but it's never "me". I think if I were just "me" I'd never even talk, or do anything.


Sounds to me like this is the opposite of one of the main traits of Asperger's in that you're able to pick up and mirror social cues and behaviors of others? Seems like you're just insecure and eager to please, a lot more common than you'd think. I can relate to this and I know those two things are definitely my problem. Your "self" isn't necessarily defined by how you act around people you're uncomfortable with.


It really just depends on the person, from what I've read/heard. It IS the opposite of Asperger's traits, really, but I think some aspies tend to develop chameleon ways as a coping mechanism, possibly women more so than men. I was very rigid and uncompromising as a child but I was bullied mercilessly and after that I learned that I needed to become someone else if I wanted to fit in. It probably isn't true today but the habits that I picked up in middle school have stuck, and now I'm really nothing like my original myself. It happens naturally now, which has caused me to become involved with all sorts of weird things and people.



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28 May 2010, 5:33 pm

I don't see why you should be so alarmed about adapting your interactions to accommodate different people, unless this adapting involves acting in a way you are ethically wary of. Although 'wearing a mask' in front of other people has negative connotations (and yes it can be a problem) I think in this case it's simply being accommodating and open to communication. If it's a problem of not having a 'self' that bothers you, I would be inclined to say there is no such problem. You might like this quote from CS Lewis: "You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body."



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28 May 2010, 5:44 pm

Take every moment that you can be yourself, and be what you want to be. Stop worrying what others tell you that you should be, look deep inside, and feel what makes you happy. MAKE time to be able to do this... If being with others makes you feel like you have a mask on, then be alone. If your friends can't accept the real you that you have to find, the one that is hiding behind all those social disguises, then they aren't the friends you need... nor are they the friends you want... they're just the ones that you've been made to think you want and need.

You didn't let yourself be fooled, remember... Society made you be fooled because you didn't know about AS. And society didn't give a crap if you had AS, it just wanted you to conform! Just like "big brother"



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28 May 2010, 5:56 pm

SquishypuffDave wrote:
I don't see why you should be so alarmed about adapting your interactions to accommodate different people, unless this adapting involves acting in a way you are ethically wary of. Although 'wearing a mask' in front of other people has negative connotations (and yes it can be a problem) I think in this case it's simply being accommodating and open to communication. If it's a problem of not having a 'self' that bothers you, I would be inclined to say there is no such problem. You might like this quote from CS Lewis: "You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body."


I'm not alarmed, it's depressing more than anything but in some ways I like it because I'm aware of so many different things and I'd say that I'm really less judgemental than most people in a lot of ways. It gets tiresome though, and I have trouble keeping the same friends and people in my life for long periods of time. When I start "changing" they don't really understand it, and frankly I don't really enjoy being around them anymore. I get bored, I guess.



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28 May 2010, 6:15 pm

I am twenty years older than you, Motown, and that might make all the difference, but when I was younger, I had eight distinct personalities that I would take on depending upon which one would be most helpful. They had names, physical images, etc., but as I got older, I stopped doing it. I still didn't know who I was really, but I had just decided that I was too old to play pretend and whatever I needed to do, I could do without alter-egos. Playing other selves was also very tiring.


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28 May 2010, 8:35 pm

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What is Dr. Asperger's most succinct characterization of the condition?
It is a narrowing of one's relation to the world outside one.

What is the nature of this narrowing?
It is a disturbance of instinct; an impairment of the ability to relate to or interact with the outside world in the direct, concrete, instinctive manner that is inborn to the majority of humans.

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The instincts meant are now known to originate in the deep-lying ancient structures of the brain that humans share with other mammals, and are popularly called "mammalian brain".

What are the consequences of this disturbance?
Information is processed in the abstract and logical ways of the intellect, rather than instinctively and concretely. Communication is intellect-driven, in language, rather than through the direct instinctive channels that bypass the intellect as in intonation, facial expression, or "body language". Attention is rarely directed at faces of people by whom one is spoken to, although the verbal contents of what is being said is perceived, as if at the periphery of attention, and internally processed. Many more symptoms result from or accompany the disturbance.

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The use of words like "abstract", "logical", and "intellect" here serves merely to describe the style of information processing or thinking, and does not necessarily imply high intelligence. This should be kept in mind throughout the present article. Regardless of intelligence, one is forced to use intellect where instinct is disturbed.

Intellect, logic and the like, are now known to occur in the cortex, the outer shell of the brain, which is unique to humans.


Full article http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/a ... rized.html