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20 Jul 2010, 12:17 pm

I know this has probably come up before, but are there any Aspies here that believe in a god/multiple gods? Specifically Christianity. This question popped up in my mind because today, my girlfriend (who was a Christian, and then she became an atheist) decided she wanted to be a Christian again. What really struck me is that she said that she's scared that I might go to hell because I don't believe, yet she will still love me forever.

This prompted to me to actually try and figure out exactly what it is I do believe in...I mean I guess the problem is that I'm open to all suggestions. I'm open to that the universe was created by the Big Bang, but I'm also open to the fact that God could have created everything. I don't want to sign on to one specific theory though...

The whole believing thing has got me puzzled though. How does one believe? Do you just start believing, do you have to tell yourself you believe, I mean I guess I'm just inexperienced believer lol

I've always labeled myself as an Apathetic Agnostic because I felt that it did define who I was. Apathetic = doesn't really have any influence in my life right now; Agnostic = I don't KNOW if he exists or not; but I don't believe nor do I believe he exists...I'm like right in the middle.

It's just soooo complicated lol



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20 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm

I'm a Christian churchgoer, but at the same time, I don't feel the need to shove my religious beliefs into people's faces. For me, what happens at church, stays in the church.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm

As far as I can tell, I'm atheist.



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20 Jul 2010, 12:24 pm

If you look at religions around the world, you can clearly see that they're merely collections of folklore, metaphorical moral stories, guidelines on how to live, and superstitions. The major religions are no different, they've just been around longer and have spread to more people. To me, the very idea of actually believing in any of them is nonsensical.

From a logical standpoint, the only type of religious belief that makes sense is some form of scientific pantheism, and that's stretching the boundaries of what religion is.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:25 pm

I believe that what science fails to explain may be explained by religion, if that makes any sense. I can't do Christianity, too many bad experiences with that. I didn't like the idea of being brainwashed against my will, being told that the choices I make would affect my destination beyond death, so I made any excuse not to go.



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20 Jul 2010, 12:27 pm

I guess for me the hardest part is that I never fully sided with science or religion...

I know all the bible stories from when I was a kid, and I also know about humans and apes coming from a similar species (like we're cousins)



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20 Jul 2010, 12:29 pm

The idea of "deciding" you believe something seems a bit off, if you ask me. Peoples minds can be changed, they can be convinced of something, but that isn't really a decision.

I'm right along with you on the Agnostic thing. I don't deny the possibility of a god. I can't just up and say one day, "You know, I think that guy exists!" and be an honest Christian or follower of whatever religion because of it, because I wouldn't honestly believe it.


I wouldn't be surprised to see that most people with AS take an Agnostic view on religion.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:30 pm

I've toyed around with many religions in the past because of all the stories of people who find meaning in religion and it brings them some sort of inner peace - problem is, the religious texts and teachings all seemed either ridiculous, hateful or overly ethereal and meaningless - so I've given up on believing and decide that I'm just going to live my life and not add another element to it which doesn't bring me any sort of benefit.



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20 Jul 2010, 12:32 pm

jdcnosse wrote:
I guess for me the hardest part is that I never fully sided with science or religion...

I know all the bible stories from when I was a kid, and I also know about humans and apes coming from a similar species (like we're cousins)

But you see, the difference is that there is evidence for the latter.

Anyway, the science vs. religion thing is a fallacy. Many people are both. However, once you become comfortable with the scientific method, you will start to examine religions and realise that they're just stories and ideas that have mutated and grown beyond their station.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:39 pm

I'm an agonistic theist. I personally do believe God exists, but I'm open to the possibility that God may not exist at all.

If God does exist, I don't think it is a specific type of being or anything, more of an energy or an experience or something.


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20 Jul 2010, 1:01 pm

I am a "christian", though my beliefs are quite "liberal" and a lot of my beliefs may not be the same as many other christians.

Someone who mentioned about believing in the big bang or god, well couldnt you quite conceivably say god created the big bang.

I believe god exists as much as I believe that my own reasoning is objectively true, if that makes sense (though it is very possible that my own logical/rational reasoning may not be objectively true though)

However, I do sometimes wonder what "form" God takes - ie did i create god, is he simply the creation of my own mind?

Personally I dont like it when i say im a christian at times, when it comes down to it, it isn't for me to decide. for me it isn't always a simple yes im a christian, or no im not a christian.



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20 Jul 2010, 1:03 pm

Personally, I don't believe God exists, at least not in the way we think about him.

Yet, I trust God. The trust goes back pretty far, and changes in my thinking about what it is I'm trusting don't take away that trust.

I believe in the idea of God as a spiritual path. It's not about the truth, but the journey.

I don't think you can get to any meaningful belief in God by logic. It's more like, does believing God exists, or acting like one does, benefit one's life? If so, it's worth believing.


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20 Jul 2010, 1:07 pm

Mysty wrote:
Personally, I don't believe God exists, at least not in the way we think about him.

Yet, I trust God. The trust goes back pretty far, and changes in my thinking about what it is I'm trusting don't take away that trust.

I believe in the idea of God as a spiritual path. It's not about the truth, but the journey.

I don't think you can get to any meaningful belief in God by logic. It's more like, does believing God exists, or acting like one does, benefit one's life? If so, it's worth believing.


For me god isn't logical, because he is infinite, and therefore isn't constrained by the "laws of logic". Therefore, i dont believe there is any logical way you can prove the existence of god, as you'd be logically proving the illogical. (i may have missed something though)



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20 Jul 2010, 1:13 pm

gassy wrote:
Mysty wrote:
Personally, I don't believe God exists, at least not in the way we think about him.

Yet, I trust God. The trust goes back pretty far, and changes in my thinking about what it is I'm trusting don't take away that trust.

I believe in the idea of God as a spiritual path. It's not about the truth, but the journey.

I don't think you can get to any meaningful belief in God by logic. It's more like, does believing God exists, or acting like one does, benefit one's life? If so, it's worth believing.


For me god isn't logical, because he is infinite, and therefore isn't constrained by the "laws of logic". Therefore, i dont believe there is any logical way you can prove the existence of god, as you'd be logically proving the illogical. (i may have missed something though)


Well, it depends how one defines God. God doesn't have to be infinite.

In college in philosophy class we had to read Descartes' proof of God. But the "God" he proves is simply the uncaused cause. No other traits are proven. (Actually -- perhaps not even that. Does time have to have a beginning? Must there be a first cause?) I think any attempt to prove God logically will miss the traits that make God matter, thus, it doesn't even really matter if the attempts are successful.


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20 Jul 2010, 1:22 pm

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The idea of "deciding" you believe something seems a bit off, if you ask me. Peoples minds can be changed, they can be convinced of something, but that isn't really a decision.

I'm right along with you on the Agnostic thing. I don't deny the possibility of a god. I can't just up and say one day, "You know, I think that guy exists!" and be an honest Christian or follower of whatever religion because of it, because I wouldn't honestly believe it.


I wouldn't be surprised to see that most people with AS take an Agnostic view on religion.


This is true...I mean, the main thing is that most people I talk to either side me with believing or not believing, which is hard because I'm Agnostic, but agnosticism and atheism don't rely on each other...So I was asking myself how do you believe, even though it's pretty simple...you can either believe or you can not believe, but the problem is that it's actually quite complicated for me...I could say that he exists, but like you said, I wouldn't be an honest follower...I guess it's more of a life decision, like you either life with him in your life (like completely surrounding everything you do), or not...



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20 Jul 2010, 1:25 pm

If I lived life as if God existed, and embraced all the trappings of an organised religion, I might very well be happier. But I would be deluded, and happiness borne of delusion is worthless in my eyes.


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