Losing track of thought with oral or written communication

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takemitsu
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14 Aug 2010, 2:48 pm

Anyone else get this? Like I type out my response to a thread here, and I'm constantly rewriting it, changing the structure, or I might get stuck because the word I'm trying to use slips my mind, then I got to think of a word that is similar to it, and look it up in a thesaurus to try and find the original word I wanted to use. This happens to me while speaking to someone too. I'll be speaking, but then I stop dead in my words, followed by an awkward pause. Is there a term for this? But I did OK typing this out. :?



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14 Aug 2010, 3:30 pm

takemitsu wrote:
Anyone else get this? Like I type out my response to a thread here, and I'm constantly rewriting it, changing the structure, or I might get stuck because the word I'm trying to use slips my mind, then I got to think of a word that is similar to it, and look it up in a thesaurus to try and find the original word I wanted to use. This happens to me while speaking to someone too. I'll be speaking, but then I stop dead in my words, followed by an awkward pause. Is there a term for this? But I did OK typing this out. :?


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Possible insights

In the country of England, there's a phrase close to "I've had a dry" which refers to a hesitation in a thought process.

Neurologically, possibilities can include:

ADHD Inattentive
One of the many subtle epilepsies such as petit mal/absence/complex partial/TLE and so on
Subtle memory difficulty involving the recall of information
http://www.waiting.com/glossarym.html#anchor1634810 (Memory/Learning)
Side-effects of a subtle brain injury/sports concussion
Can involve a glitch in what is called working memory/short-term memory (capacity, etc.)

Other

Words

Paying attention
Memory
Short attention span
Sustained attention
Temporarily holding a thought in one's head
Loop thinking/circular thinking

Other terms

Aphasia
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/aphasia/aphasia.htm
Apraxia
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/apraxia/apraxia.htm
Pre-Alzheimer
Dementias

and so on



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14 Aug 2010, 3:36 pm

O.M.G. The 'losing a word' thing has started happening to me more and more frequently in conversation over the last ten years or so. I've always done it from time to time, but lately its actually starting to scare me, it happens so much, even when I'm just talking to myself, and especially where NAMES are concerned.

I hate that feeling that the word or name I want is in my database, and I know beyond doubt that its in there, I just can't seem to retrieve it - it nearly gives me a headache straining for it - and it can stop a conversation dead in its tracks when I stubbornly refuse to reword my thought because dammit, the RIGHT word is in my head somewhere, just wait a second until I find it.

When I'm composing something online, or writing in a word processor, I don't mind so much stopping to check the Thesaurus or Dictionary just to be certain I'm not misusing a word or stretching the application of its meaning, or when the word that first occurs to me doesn't quite 'feel' right in that context.



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14 Aug 2010, 3:57 pm

takemitsu wrote:
In the country of England, there's a phrase close to "I've had a dry" which refers to a hesitation in a thought process.


there is?

i do that all the time Willard and it frustrates the living daylights out of me. ive spent many-a-hour googling around trying to pin down an exact word that i know my mind was thinking of. i dont know whether maybe it has something to do with the fact that a lot of things go on inside my head but not a lot is communicated to the outside world. so my brain's perhaps not as used to translating itself to paper/my mouth as it should be :?



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14 Aug 2010, 3:57 pm

When I tried to explain my word thing, this is what they labelled me with after test..
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Dysnomia

Except, they didn't take into account that I am a visual-spatial thinker and that can make a difference. It can make a huge difference on many things.
But that might help..



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14 Aug 2010, 4:44 pm

I've had the problem the OP describes my entire life. I've been told I'm an articulate writer but I don't ever do well on timed written tests becasue I'm SLOW as hell. In school I always had to request extra time on any test that involved writing. I have the problems with word recall but I also have problems translating my largely nonlinear and branching thoughts and ideas into a linear written format with appropriate organization and smooth/logical transitions. I often feel like my sentence style/structure is bland and repetitive as well.

In some ways I feel like I'm the opposite of NVLD in terms of my cognitive strengths and weaknesses so it bugs me when people say NVLD and AS are the same thing. Every test I've taken demonstrates that I'm a strong visual-spatial thinker and use primarily the right hemisphere of my brain. My problem with word and information recall means I fail at tasks involving rote memorization compared to other aspies who accel at such tasks. Also, it often seems like my vocabulary is limiting me from truly expressing myself as I would like to. People tell me I have a good vocabulary but it still feels inadequate. I also have frequent moments of intuition where I have some great idea yet don't really know where to start in terms of explaining it.



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14 Aug 2010, 4:48 pm

marshall wrote:
I've had the problem the OP describes my entire life. I've been told I'm an articulate writer but I don't ever do well on timed written tests becasue I'm SLOW as hell. In school I always had to request extra time on any test that involved writing. I have the problems with word recall but I also have problems translating my largely nonlinear and branching thoughts and ideas into a linear written format with appropriate organization and smooth/logical transitions. I often feel like my sentence style/structure is bland and repetitive as well.

In some ways I feel like I'm the opposite of NVLD in terms of my cognitive strengths and weaknesses so it bugs me when people say NVLD and AS are the same thing. Every test I've taken demonstrates that I'm a strong visual-spatial thinker and use primarily the right hemisphere of my brain. My problem with word and information recall means I fail at tasks involving rote memorization compared to other aspies who accel at such tasks. Also, it often seems like my vocabulary is limiting me from truly expressing myself as I would like to. People tell me I have a good vocabulary but it still feels inadequate. I also have frequent moments of intuition where I have some great idea yet don't really know where to start in terms of explaining it.


Is it possible we are too demanding of ourselves?



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14 Aug 2010, 5:12 pm

takemitsu wrote:
marshall wrote:
I've had the problem the OP describes my entire life. I've been told I'm an articulate writer but I don't ever do well on timed written tests becasue I'm SLOW as hell. In school I always had to request extra time on any test that involved writing. I have the problems with word recall but I also have problems translating my largely nonlinear and branching thoughts and ideas into a linear written format with appropriate organization and smooth/logical transitions. I often feel like my sentence style/structure is bland and repetitive as well.

In some ways I feel like I'm the opposite of NVLD in terms of my cognitive strengths and weaknesses so it bugs me when people say NVLD and AS are the same thing. Every test I've taken demonstrates that I'm a strong visual-spatial thinker and use primarily the right hemisphere of my brain. My problem with word and information recall means I fail at tasks involving rote memorization compared to other aspies who accel at such tasks. Also, it often seems like my vocabulary is limiting me from truly expressing myself as I would like to. People tell me I have a good vocabulary but it still feels inadequate. I also have frequent moments of intuition where I have some great idea yet don't really know where to start in terms of explaining it.


Is it possible we are too demanding of ourselves?


Yes.


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14 Aug 2010, 6:03 pm

takemitsu wrote:
Is it possible we are too demanding of ourselves?

It's possible but that doesn't stop me from feeling like I know a lot more and have a lot more to say than what comes across.



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14 Aug 2010, 6:38 pm

Yeah, and I've also noticed it getting worse as I get older. That started to be a noticeable problem when I was about 20. At that age, though, I got really good mark marks in essay writing, but like someone else, said, I was very slow at it. Good at essay writing, bad at writing for finals. And then my brain melted, and that was that.

I find the word-finding problem is a lot worse in speech, I think mostly due to it having to be delivered in real-time. Things never seem to come into my mind in the right order to make any sense to other people. And with losing words there's a lot of,

"...it's like that thing where you... you know, uh... put needles in it... and it's made of straw... and ummm... it's a doll... uhhh, ummm..."

"voodoo doll?"

"yeah, that!"

These days I tend to let sloppy writing through because if I stop too long or go back and edit too much I end up forgetting the rest of what I was trying to say.

And some days I'll have a thought, but it'll feel like staring at a giant, complicated, abstract painting and contemplating describing it to someone over the telegraph. ("I had an intelligent thought, I swear! I was gonna say it's like that thing... that's like triangles... but when the sun is at that certain angle... you know, like that... What? No, I am not on acid, d*mmit...")



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15 Aug 2010, 12:47 am

marshall wrote:
takemitsu wrote:
Is it possible we are too demanding of ourselves?

It's possible but that doesn't stop me from feeling like I know a lot more and have a lot more to say than what comes across.


Part of me would like to think that it's because I'm putting too much pressure on myself, because it seems like the simplest reason, but I too feel like I can express myself better than I show. It's like the thoughts get jumbled up as soon as they get sent to the part of the brain that makes the thoughts externalized.



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15 Aug 2010, 2:16 am

yes yes yes yes yes


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16 Aug 2010, 4:12 am

takemitsu wrote:
Anyone else get this? Like I type out my response to a thread here, and I'm constantly rewriting it, changing the structure, or I might get stuck because the word I'm trying to use slips my mind


I frequent two forums, here an a technical forum. I end up cancelling about half of my posts without sending them on the technical forum, and about half of my posts here. I also do the thesaurus and encyclopaedia lookups while trying to reply. I take so long writing some replies that sometimes I find that a few posts have sneaked in saying what I wanted to say before I managed to hit the send button.