30% of the General Population with Traits of Autism.

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Would you consider these people Neurotypical?
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No. 36%  36%  [ 4 ]
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24 Jun 2011, 4:17 pm

https://sfari.org/news/-/asset_publisher/6Tog/content/autism-traits-common-among-healthy-people

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Two large studies published in the past two months have found that traits linked to autism are widely distributed in the general population. Although about 1 in 100 children is diagnosed with autism, up to 30 percent of people may have at least one of the traits associated with the disorder.

Those with one or more autism-associated traits also appear to be at higher risk for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), anxiety, depression and substance abuse.

Family members of people with autism often have milder versions of behaviors seen in people with the disorder. Over the past decade, many researchers have described autism as the extreme end of a behavioral continuum. The new results suggest that these milder behaviors extend to many other disorders.

"Essentially, [the studies are] a large-scale replication of data from a number of laboratories that suggested this continuity," says John Constantino, professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, who was not involved in either study.


A recent study indicates that up to 30 percent of the general population have at least one trait of Autism and are at higher risk for other associated neuropyschiatric conditions.

Would you consider these people Neurotypical?



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24 Jun 2011, 4:22 pm

I consider a neurotypical individual to be anyone who does not have a formal DSM diagnosis. So, for people who have autism traits or exhibit the BAP but don't have any other types of diagnoses like ADHD, anxiety disorders, etc., I would say, yes, they are neurotypical. For me, not being neurotypical is the difference between being able to function in the daily world or needing psychiatric treatment of some kind. Even if I didn't have AS, I still wouldn't be neurotypical, because I have OCD, as well.


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24 Jun 2011, 4:27 pm

This doesn't surprise me one bit. No I wouldn't see them as NT.



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24 Jun 2011, 4:31 pm

Auckland is the largest Polynesian city in the world

Definitely not 30% around here with this gene pool

However, I prefer to say that any autistic trait that causes any problems at all, makes a person neurodiverse



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24 Jun 2011, 4:36 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
I consider a neurotypical individual to be anyone who does not have a formal DSM diagnosis. So, for people who have autism traits or exhibit the BAP but don't have any other types of diagnoses like ADHD, anxiety disorders, etc., I would say, yes, they are neurotypical. For me, not being neurotypical is the difference between being able to function in the daily world or needing psychiatric treatment of some kind. Even if I didn't have AS, I still wouldn't be neurotypical, because I have OCD, as well.


Interesting perspective, would you consider a person with an Aspergers or Autism diagnoses with no co-morbid psychiatric conditions that are able to function in the daily world needing no psychiatric treatment neurotypical? If not, which Aspergers or Autism criteria/trait would you consider not to fit the definition of neurotypical.



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24 Jun 2011, 4:40 pm

Surfman wrote:
Auckland is the largest Polynesian city in the world

Definitely not 30% around here with this gene pool

However, I prefer to say that any autistic trait that causes any problems at all, makes a person neurodiverse


Would you consider an extrovert with Bi-Polar Disorder Neurotypical?



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24 Jun 2011, 4:43 pm

If the person has an official diagnosis, even if they're able to function in the world today, no, I wouldn't consider them neurotypical. For example, I struggle through daily life a lot of times because of my AS, but I'm able to function well enough to "pass for normal." However, I have definite problems that need psychiatric treatment, and I am not neurotypical. But there are lots of people out there (generally older individuals) who most likely would fit an Asperger's diagnosis but can function so well that they've never needed to get a diagnosis or receive psychiatric help. So, to me, these individuals are really like an extreme example of the BAP and, as far as daily life goes, they are like neurotypicals in my view. They obviously don't think anything's wrong with them, or else they would have needed help sometime in their life. The thing that is often forgotten about diagnoses in today's age of needing to label everything is the very important part of the DSM that says symptoms need to give significant impairment in functioning. It's similar to lots of people who may have obsessive-compulsive traits but aren't crippled by them like people who have true OCD.


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24 Jun 2011, 4:48 pm

aghogday wrote:
Surfman wrote:
Auckland is the largest Polynesian city in the world

Definitely not 30% around here with this gene pool

However, I prefer to say that any autistic trait that causes any problems at all, makes a person neurodiverse


Would you consider an extrovert with Bi-Polar Disorder Neurotypical?


I know a couple of these very well. Knowing their lives and problems, I would not call them NT



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24 Jun 2011, 4:52 pm

Now that I know the traits I've been seeing them in my girlfriend and her family. Just quirks that don't impede their lives.



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24 Jun 2011, 4:57 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
I consider a neurotypical individual to be anyone who does not have a formal DSM diagnosis. So, for people who have autism traits or exhibit the BAP but don't have any other types of diagnoses like ADHD, anxiety disorders, etc., I would say, yes, they are neurotypical. For me, not being neurotypical is the difference between being able to function in the daily world or needing psychiatric treatment of some kind. Even if I didn't have AS, I still wouldn't be neurotypical, because I have OCD, as well.


I disagree. I don't have a formal diagnosis for any mental disorder, but there is absolutely nothing typical about me. I definitely have autistic traits, but the level of severity can be very subjective. As an example, I do fine in school without any accommodations made, I can drive, and I can do just about anything else a NT can. But it's uncomfortable for me to make eye contact, I'm definitely face blind, I have alexaithymia, I am fine with minimal social interaction, I have a strong preference for routines, and I can be extremely obsessed with my interests.


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24 Jun 2011, 5:08 pm

At least one of the traits? Considering the huge number of traits that are common for people with AS, I’m surprised the percentage isn’t closer to 95.



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24 Jun 2011, 5:08 pm

I am not sure if I like the fact that the article calls NTs "healthy". It's a bit off putting to me.



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24 Jun 2011, 5:14 pm

Jory wrote:
At least one of the traits? Considering the huge number of traits that are common for people with AS, I’m surprised the percentage isn’t closer to 95.


Maybe they are only talking about traits mentioned in the DSM?



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24 Jun 2011, 5:43 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
If the person has an official diagnosis, even if they're able to function in the world today, no, I wouldn't consider them neurotypical. For example, I struggle through daily life a lot of times because of my AS, but I'm able to function well enough to "pass for normal." However, I have definite problems that need psychiatric treatment, and I am not neurotypical. But there are lots of people out there (generally older individuals) who most likely would fit an Asperger's diagnosis but can function so well that they've never needed to get a diagnosis or receive psychiatric help. So, to me, these individuals are really like an extreme example of the BAP and, as far as daily life goes, they are like neurotypicals in my view. They obviously don't think anything's wrong with them, or else they would have needed help sometime in their life. The thing that is often forgotten about diagnoses in today's age of needing to label everything is the very important part of the DSM that says symptoms need to give significant impairment in functioning. It's similar to lots of people who may have obsessive-compulsive traits but aren't crippled by them like people who have true OCD.


I think there are many people out there that would probably easily meet the diagnosis of Aspergers, but don't have any idea of what it is. However, the people that fall somewhere in the middle range of introversion to extroversion, clearly notice they are unusual.

And then there are some people that are wildly extroverted, could easily be diagnosed as bi-polar, feel they function well, and are noticed as unusual by the majority of people.

Studies show introverts are more sensitive to the effects of dopamine than extroverts, and then there are somewhere in the middle. There is a neurological difference here, but not one that necessarily requires treatment, or prevents someone from functioning in life.

I think that is what the latest research suggests, that there is one large behavioral continuum affected by many factors.

Neurotypical by definition suggests typical neurology. By that definition the neurology that underlies the guy that would probably be diagnosed with Aspergers, functions well, and the guy with Aspergers that doesn't function well may be similar, but they may employee different coping mechanisms to deal with those neurological differences that work or may not work to function in life.

As discussed before, we don't have much research that allows us to understand just exactly what the neurological differences are in Aspergers, but I think it is safe to say that dopamine sensitivity may play a role as it does in introversion.

I think the ability to function or the inability to function, as you state is the most important factor. And, the most important factor in survival. I like the idea of dropping the term neurotypical, because it can give people the idea that autistic people are hugely outnumbered by Neurotypical people.

I like the general term of Neurodiversity applied to humans as an all inclusive term, with some that adapt to life and some that need assistance with adapting to life. The psychological labels are necessary to treat and accommodate those that have problems in functioning in life.

All of our psychological ideas of normality come from preconceived notions flavored by our experience. It is part of our nature to categorize everything, but I think humans are too complex to narrow it down to Neurotypical vs. Autistic; research of late seems to support this idea.



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24 Jun 2011, 6:05 pm

ocdgirl123 wrote:
Jory wrote:
At least one of the traits? Considering the huge number of traits that are common for people with AS, I’m surprised the percentage isn’t closer to 95.


Maybe they are only talking about traits mentioned in the DSM?


Yes, you are correct.

Regarding the statement among healthy people, a person with a serious health condition other than Autism, could display traits of Autism because of the unrelated health condition, I don't they are suggesting that people with Autism are unhealthy.



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24 Jun 2011, 6:27 pm

aghogday wrote:
ocdgirl123 wrote:
Jory wrote:
At least one of the traits? Considering the huge number of traits that are common for people with AS, I’m surprised the percentage isn’t closer to 95.


Maybe they are only talking about traits mentioned in the DSM?


Yes, you are correct.

Regarding the statement among healthy people, a person with a serious health condition other than Autism, could display traits of Autism because of the unrelated health condition, I don't they are suggesting that people with Autism are unhealthy.


OK, that makes sense, thanks! :)