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23 Aug 2011, 3:02 am

In the past few weeks, I've come to the realization that my AS seems to be quite a bit less severe than many people here in some areas, but much more pronounced in others. Obviously, this is because AS is part of a spectrum, and we're all affected differently. Personally, my most prominent trait is my difficulties with social isolation, whereas everything else could be considered negligible. Considering that, there could be other causes. For clarification, I've gone a full 5 years without making any real life friends at all; which is extremely unusual for someone my age. So what could the other causes be? Let's Google it.

- suicide/depression
- various panic and anxiety disorders
- addictions and substance abuses
- eating disorders
- Alzheimer's
- antisocial personality disorder
- schizophrenia
- schizoid personality disorder
- and, of course, an ASD

That's everything. One of those has to be the cause behind this problem. With a little bit of common sense, it's easy to narrow it down. I'm not depressed. I obviously don't have an eating disorder. I know I don't have Alzheimer's or schizophrenia. I'm not a violent and immoral psychopath, so antisocial PD is out of the question. So what we have left to eliminate is either an addiction, social anxiety, or schizoid personality disorder.

Saying that I just have an addiction is actually a good argument. At a quick glance, that could easily explain everything, however, I feel that there's more to it than that. Here's my reasoning. I've been obsessed (to the point of addiction-like behavior) with video games. But so are a lot of people. At least half of my peers are into video games just like me. Maybe not quite as intense, but most definitely. So therefore, video games themselves do not cause social ineptness. Not to mention that ever since I've learned about AS, my interest in playing games has gone down dramatically. I'm still no more social than I was before.

While I have failed to make friends in real life, I have been able to communicate effectively through the internet. This points more in the direction of social anxiety. Perhaps my social isolation is due to anxiety itself, and nothing more. Alright, so what's it like to have social anxiety? I don't know, so let's Google it. Here's a video documentary I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dsj_mwVlLc

While I do hate being in social situations, it's nothing like that. In fact, I actually don't mind public speaking. While I hardly ever talk in real life, it is not for the same reason as the people in the video. I do not fear being judged, or have low self esteem, it's actually quite the opposite. I really just don't care, and don't feel the need to engage in pointless conversation. I speak when necessary, and only when necessary. I have no problems speaking when I need to. Shyness? No. Introversion? Heck yeah.

Now, lastly, there's schizoid personality disorder. This one is going to be hard. I'm a loner, and I don't mind. Therefore, I fit the schizoid profile quite well. The difference between schizoid and an ASD is that with the latter there is much more pronounced social ineptitude. So how can I prove that I'm socially inept beyond the point of "I just don't care about people?" Because I have tried to make friends. I remember going into the seventh grade, and it was like I hit a wall and could not communicate with my peers anymore. I told myself that in the eighth grade I would turn that around and be much more social. To make a long story short, I failed. I tried to befriend people, but it just didn't work out. I just couldn't do it. I thought it would get better in the 9th, 10th and 11th grades. It hasn't changed one bit, and not because of a lack of effort initially.

So there you have it. It's an ASD. But in what ways does an ASD impair social interactions? There's reading body language, eye contact, and empathy. I can make eye contact when I need to. I don't think I'm any worse at empathizing than anyone else. I can read obvious social clues well enough to get by. So what is it? Seriously, it's really been bothering me lately. I do all I can to put on my NT mask, make small talk, and be nice, but it doesn't work. It hasn't worked in 5 years, and the only reason why it worked back then is because my parents did all the work for me.

There must be more to it than that, but what? The list must be incomplete.

Perhaps it is empathy.
Perhaps I'm just not "cool" enough.
Perhaps I'm just too different to relate to anyone.

The more I think about it, the less I actually understand. I mean, so what if my body language and speech interpretation patterns are just a little bit weird. That can't possibly be a serious problem. Are people really that judgmental with things that hold such minute importance?


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23 Aug 2011, 3:56 am

I have been officially diagnosed with aspergers, dyslexia and IBS. I consider myself to have depression sometimes as well as GAD (generalized anxiety disorder). Isolation makes me uncomfortable but I can understand why, I was brought up with a large family and suddenly I'm cut off from them. I would like to get diagnosed to find if I have depression/ GAD, I think seeing a doctor is one way to find out



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23 Aug 2011, 6:51 am

Have you considered ADD/ADHD? What kind of sensory issues do you have? (sounds, smells, touch) How well do you fit in the diagnostic criteria of AS or autism?

As for me, watching this video I seriously consider putting SAD on my list as a possible co-morbid condition besides ADD. I still think my main problem is some kind of ASD, though.


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23 Aug 2011, 6:51 am

SammichEater wrote:
Now, lastly, there's schizoid personality disorder. This one is going to be hard. I'm a loner, and I don't mind. Therefore, I fit the schizoid profile quite well. The difference between schizoid and an ASD is that with the latter there is much more pronounced social ineptitude. So how can I prove that I'm socially inept beyond the point of "I just don't care about people?" Because I have tried to make friends. I remember going into the seventh grade, and it was like I hit a wall and could not communicate with my peers anymore. I told myself that in the eighth grade I would turn that around and be much more social. To make a long story short, I failed. I tried to befriend people, but it just didn't work out. I just couldn't do it. I thought it would get better in the 9th, 10th and 11th grades. It hasn't changed one bit, and not because of a lack of effort initially.

So there you have it. It's an ASD. But in what ways does an ASD impair social interactions? There's reading body language, eye contact, and empathy. I can make eye contact when I need to. I don't think I'm any worse at empathizing than anyone else. I can read obvious social clues well enough to get by. So what is it? Seriously, it's really been bothering me lately. I do all I can to put on my NT mask, make small talk, and be nice, but it doesn't work. It hasn't worked in 5 years, and the only reason why it worked back then is because my parents did all the work for me.

There must be more to it than that, but what? The list must be incomplete.

Perhaps it is empathy.
Perhaps I'm just not "cool" enough.
Perhaps I'm just too different to relate to anyone.

The more I think about it, the less I actually understand. I mean, so what if my body language and speech interpretation patterns are just a little bit weird. That can't possibly be a serious problem. Are people really that judgmental with things that hold such minute importance?


Perhaps you have few common interests with other people, making impossible to have meaningful conversations?



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23 Aug 2011, 8:30 am

I've found that - for me - people tend to see me as very different (personality wise) than I feel I am myself. For example, my sister has always called me a negative person, and just recently I've found out that my friend thinks I am too. I don't understand how or why, and I've never - nor do I now - see myself as a negative individual. In fact I would say that despite everything I deal with (ASD not the only thing) I am rather more positive than even most NTs I meet.

So somewhere along the way, people aren't "reading" the true me. And they get put off by something or some way of talking or acting that I'm not even aware of after being informed of it. I've tried to ask those close to me to explain why their vision of me is disparate to my own internal reality, and they go on about my choice of conversation topics and never quite reach a concrete or constructive answer.

And they suggest that my (perceived by others inexplicable to me) negativity pushes others away.

Anyways. I shut up now. I don't even know if this rant contributes at all to your post topic :/



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23 Aug 2011, 3:03 pm

OJani wrote:
Have you considered ADD/ADHD? What kind of sensory issues do you have? (sounds, smells, touch) How well do you fit in the diagnostic criteria of AS or autism?

As for me, watching this video I seriously consider putting SAD on my list as a possible co-morbid condition besides ADD. I still think my main problem is some kind of ASD, though.


I've considered ADD/ADHD, but I really don't think that's it. My problems are in no way due to a lack of an ability to pay attention. I actually have the patience and time management skills of someone far older than me. Although I have many AS traits, I'm not really impaired in any areas other than social interactions. While I dislike change and I am more sensitive than the average person, it's nowhere near as severe as those who are farther down on the spectrum. While I sometimes interpret things literally in some circumstances, it's usually not much of a problem (at least, from what I'm aware of).

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Perhaps you have few common interests with other people, making impossible to have meaningful conversations?


This could be it. But even when I'm around people who share the same interests, it's like there's something in the way. I'm the one left out every time. Not that it bothers me a whole lot, I actually don't mind being alone. I just wish I knew what it is, specifically.

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I've found that - for me - people tend to see me as very different (personality wise) than I feel I am myself. For example, my sister has always called me a negative person, and just recently I've found out that my friend thinks I am too. I don't understand how or why, and I've never - nor do I now - see myself as a negative individual. In fact I would say that despite everything I deal with (ASD not the only thing) I am rather more positive than even most NTs I meet.

So somewhere along the way, people aren't "reading" the true me. And they get put off by something or some way of talking or acting that I'm not even aware of after being informed of it. I've tried to ask those close to me to explain why their vision of me is disparate to my own internal reality, and they go on about my choice of conversation topics and never quite reach a concrete or constructive answer.

And they suggest that my (perceived by others inexplicable to me) negativity pushes others away.

Anyways. I shut up now. I don't even know if this rant contributes at all to your post topic :/


I think it might have something to do with this, but I'm not totally sure. Lots of people are much jerkier than me, but yet, it almost seems as if those a**holes are the ones that are even better off than me socially. It seems almost as if the game of socialization is all a bunch of lies and deception.


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23 Aug 2011, 3:45 pm

SammichEater wrote:
I don't think I'm any worse at empathizing than anyone else. I can read obvious social clues well enough to get by.


That's something you should explore.

You think that, but do you know that? If you do have an ASD or something else entirely, your perception of what successful empathising is and how it works is likely not the same as that of "normal people".

Because no, there doesn't need to be a massive difference to qualify for an ASD.

I'm talking about small misunderstandings in communication even normal people need time to discover. (Because no, they're not super computers who are aware of all non-verbal errors, of slightest breaches in social rules, smallest differences in timing, intention, choice of words.)

If you have many such small "misunderstandings" or "difficulties" that neither you or others notice right away these can still cause major problems.

When making friends it's important to communicate a "harmonious impression" of yourself. If people like you but feel that something is "different" or "off" because there are small, but significant differences in communication such as those that can stem from an ASD, they're more likely to be turned off. It's difficult to make friends if lots of people notice that "something" about you "isn't quite normal".

And these "small issues" really go with AS officially if they do give someone trouble. If it's troublesome, it's no longer a "small issue".

I hope this doesn't sound demoralising. I didn't mean to. I'm sure you can get friends, if you get to meet new people. You're an intelligent young man and that's a pretty solid thing to go by.

What would an official diagnosis of AS do to you? I mean, with all that extensive research and all the time you put in this, there probably is something you want to figure out or something you want to achieve? Would a diagnosis help you any with that?


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23 Aug 2011, 4:08 pm

Sora wrote:
That's something you should explore.

You think that, but do you know that? If you do have an ASD or something else entirely, your perception of what successful empathising is and how it works is likely not the same as that of "normal people".

Because no, there doesn't need to be a massive difference to qualify for an ASD.


You bring up a very good point.

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I'm talking about small misunderstandings in communication even normal people need time to discover. (Because no, they're not super computers who are aware of all non-verbal errors, of slightest breaches in social rules, smallest differences in timing, intention, choice of words.)

If you have many such small "misunderstandings" or "difficulties" that neither you or others notice right away these can still cause major problems.


It's possible.

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When making friends it's important to communicate a "harmonious impression" of yourself. If people like you but feel that something is "different" or "off" because there are small, but significant differences in communication such as those that can stem from an ASD, they're more likely to be turned off. It's difficult to make friends if lots of people notice that "something" about you "isn't quite normal".

And these "small issues" really go with AS officially if they do give someone trouble. If it's troublesome, it's no longer a "small issue".


I think I've been underestimating how troublesome it actually is. Generally speaking, whenever I talk to people, I rarely find myself thinking that I did not communicate effectively. But, obviously, something isn't right. The way others view me is clearly not the way I see myself.

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I hope this doesn't sound demoralising. I didn't mean to. I'm sure you can get friends, if you get to meet new people. You're an intelligent young man and that's a pretty solid thing to go by.


It doesn't. That's actually why I was thinking about this. I'll be going back for my last year of high school this week, and, once again, I'm trying to be more social. If I know what the problem is specifically, I can find a way to work around it.

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What would an official diagnosis of AS do to you? I mean, with all that extensive research and all the time you put in this, there probably is something you want to figure out or something you want to achieve? Would a diagnosis help you any with that?


Not a whole lot, actually. I seek knowledge and understanding, and with or without an official diagnosis, I'm already working to get there.

So, now, with that being said, is there any way I could possibly know for sure that a lack of empathy is the problem here? Like some sort of experiment I could set up?


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