The difference between NTs and Aspies

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22 Nov 2011, 12:34 am

Hey, take a look through the topics in the Parents Discussion forum (Which is mostly NT) and then look at the topics in the General Autism Discussion forum (Which is mostly Aspie). Notice a pattern with the topics?

The topic titles in the Parent's Discussion forum are simpler, more emotional and easier to read whereas it looks like someone threw a thesaurus at the topic titles in the General Autism Discussion forum, making the titles seem more formal and stilted. Anyone else notice this?

(This thread's title would be an "aspie" like title since the word "difference" is pretty long.)



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22 Nov 2011, 12:49 am

The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


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22 Nov 2011, 12:51 am

I was reading an article by an NT father of autistic children and it was so short and not very detailed, but I do believe it moved a lot of people. It was basically a tag line that moved them.


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22 Nov 2011, 1:02 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


Hmm that is pretty much what I think, but better worded.


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22 Nov 2011, 1:19 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


Hmm that is pretty much what I think, but better worded.

I'm pretty sure the thread is about how pedantic our words are compared to the emotionality of NT parents. Or did I get it wrong?

It's not about the subject matter but how the conversation is delivered. Like I don't think they would say things like 'how conversation is delivered' when talking about the differences between how an autistic/AS person speaks verses an NT.


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22 Nov 2011, 1:22 am

pensieve wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


Hmm that is pretty much what I think, but better worded.

I'm pretty sure the thread is about how pedantic our words are compared to the emotionality of NT parents. Or did I get it wrong?


You got it perfectly right. I've been wondering if I worded my original post incorrectly...



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22 Nov 2011, 1:25 am

I read over my posts today. They are very "Aspie", more so than usual. I think that it is because today is Monday.



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22 Nov 2011, 1:42 am

I am thinking of NTs who have a pedantic speaking or writing style. I think that there is a difference between NT pedantry and Aspie pedantry. NT pedantry seems to be a "put-on" style that certain people learn and hone as they grow up and become educated, more like clothing than skin. Aspie pedantry seems to be a natural form of language usage for certain people who cannot communicate effectively in any other way, more like skin than clothing. It is extremely difficult for me to express my thoughts in language that is not explicit, verbose, or pedantic.



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22 Nov 2011, 1:55 am

btbnnyr wrote:
I am thinking of NTs who have a pedantic speaking or writing style. I think that there is a difference between NT pedantry and Aspie pedantry. NT pedantry seems to be a "put-on" style that certain people learn and hone as they grow up and become educated, more like clothing than skin. Aspie pedantry seems to be a natural form of language usage for certain people who cannot communicate effectively in any other way, more like skin than clothing. It is extremely difficult for me to express my thoughts in language that is not explicit, verbose, or pedantic.

Very true.

I have found another difference, this time to do with instant messaging or just chatting in general. I want to stay on a subject but my NT conversational partner moves on very quickly to the next subject. It is kind of worse when the person is on ADHD medication. But I've noticed it when I try to have a talk with NT too. Never on the same subject for very long.


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22 Nov 2011, 1:56 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


I'm not sure how much time you've spent in the parent forum, but most are just trying to help their kids be happy, independent individuals. The parents who want their kids to be NT don't seek out forums like this one.



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22 Nov 2011, 2:08 am

btbnnyr wrote:
It is extremely difficult for me to express my thoughts in language that is not explicit, verbose, or pedantic.


Does anyone get any flak for speaking in a pedantic way?

There's this site that I use for asking questions and someone commented...

"11/20: If [ME] asks one more question with ****ing lunaticly oversized words, I'll be very mad."

and

"11/4: Does [ME] know HOW to use a small word?"

As far I can tell, I phrase questions in a way that seems fairly natural to me but I suppose it might've been learned. I do have the capability of "dumbing down", but it's not something that comes naturally to me and makes me kind of ... pause... a lot... in regular conversation as I search for "simpler ways" of saying something.

However, I'm looking over this very post I just wrote and I wonder if it really is *that* pedantic... It seems like it's rather simple in its wording.



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22 Nov 2011, 2:57 am

I really can't tell if it's pedantic. I wrote a few things on Facebook: one about mounting some film lenses on my sisters new camera and she replied, "my cat's breath smells like cat food" indicating the struggled to understand what I said. It's a Simpsons quote and forget why Ralph said it but I'm sure Lisa said something he couldn't understand.
The second time she replied with the exact same quote I said something about a synaptic tsunami which was an over aroused state of my mind which made me update my status like this:
"I'm interested in finding connections between pre-frontal cortex disorders, epilepsy and brain injury. Anyone have a link to any studies? I also want to find if possible the neurological process of hyper and hypo stimulated states and how the individual reacts to their environment. I'm just curious."

To me that has a few mistakes in it and isn't very pedantic. It's kind of watered down.


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22 Nov 2011, 3:36 am

Ive noticed that difference. NTs know how to summarize things much better. Whereas aspies seem to have trouble summarizing and not rambling. That aspect is one thing I do look for in spotting out aspies. Aspies have a very hard time getting to the point and often go off on our own little stories. We feel like we need to let people know every single detail. Whereas NTs know that certain details are implied by more summary statements so there words are more succinct.

See look how long it took me to explain this where an NT could explain this in a sentence or 2.



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22 Nov 2011, 4:02 am

i excogitate that the prevalence of annunciated sesquipedality is unsubstantial when juxtaposed with the prevalence of sesquipedalianism in transcriptive elucidations



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22 Nov 2011, 4:43 am

Interestingly we can probably determine if there is a preference of diction based on word origin used. For example, do Aspies subconsciously prefer to use less-commonly used English words that originated from Latin or French derivatives, but allow for more precision? Do NTs prefer the simplified commonly used yet vague words and Germanic roots? Another comparison could be "which group uses more specialized terminology that the average person would be unfamiliar with in comparison to which group substitutes the words for less precision, but allows for easier accessibility in the general population(Neurotypicals.)" I'd think that NT's would do the latter far more often. Another comparison could be variety of diction and sentence structure opposed to repetition. We can analyze which group enjoys to use loaded or emotion-based words. There are so many things that can be analyzed!! I find this very interesting. For me, I can't understand a text unless the distinctions and meanings are clearly explicated among the more common terminologies. That means diction is very important in my understanding of a definition or process.


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22 Nov 2011, 5:10 am

SC_2010 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
The parents are concerned about their kids and they hope that they will fit in with the NT world.

Many of us on the spectrum might or might not be interested in fitting into the NT world. I know that I'm not and that's why I have to ask myself why the parents put so much pressure on their kids. Not all of them but some of them.


I'm not sure how much time you've spent in the parent forum, but most are just trying to help their kids be happy, independent individuals. The parents who want their kids to be NT don't seek out forums like this one.
Absolutely, whether my son chooses to try and 'fit in' in the NT world or not, my ideal (and I would think that is true of all parents) is that he lives a contented life.


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