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21 Oct 2006, 10:21 am

There is an article on the front page of Wrong Planet. It is an important "read" for anyone who travels who is on the spectrum. There have been a couple of incidents of the kind she describes, one of them fatal (in Florida), and it's something that everyone should understand. It has happened to me, and who knows how many other people.
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21 Oct 2006, 10:55 am

Read it, and was shocked. I posted a comment at the end. I feel for her very much.


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21 Oct 2006, 2:03 pm

Ever since they shot that guy with bi-polar who was just wanting to get off the plane and people thought that was acceptable that seems like it is OK in the public's view for stuff like this. They probably did have disability training - doesn't mean the training involved compassionate service - probably more like how to be PC.



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23 Oct 2006, 6:18 am

Yes that article is trully shocking, people need to get an education and understand compassion and well basic common sense. It must have been really distressing and inconvenient, I think the disability training needs to be revised and updated.



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23 Oct 2006, 12:19 pm

My take on this is if that is how the company is going to treat her as a customer, then don't do business with that company anymore. There are alternatives in most situations and by taking your business away, you hurt the company where it counts.

I do not fly to my destinations usually myself. It is not because of a fear of flying but the hassle I go through at the gate as well as the delays. I usually drive to where I am going (I know this is not an option for everyone but since it is a viable option for me and I enjoy it, that is what I do). I am going to try out Amtrak this Thanksgiving. If the service is reliable and not a hassle to use, then I will continue to spend money on using it. If not, I will find another method or go back to my old one.

If you really want to force compasion and training on a company, let them know what the cost is for not having such training. In fact, I think the airline in question was listed. Lets all vote with our pocketbooks.


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23 Oct 2006, 1:56 pm

Hear hear!

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23 Oct 2006, 2:45 pm

walk-in-the-rain wrote:
Ever since they shot that guy with bi-polar who was just wanting to get off the plane and people thought that was acceptable that seems like it is OK in the public's view for stuff like this. They probably did have disability training - doesn't mean the training involved compassionate service - probably more like how to be PC.



wasn't that when the guy said he had a bomb in his bag and he wouldn't let anyone check it so they shot him. That was before he got on the plane. I didn't understand why they had to shoot him instead of just arresting him and taking him in.


After reading the article it sounds like she didn't get there early enough. When flying, you always have to arrive at least two hours before your flight takes off. No special rules. So I can arrive at the airport way late and say 'Hi I have aspergers you must let me cut thru the line or I'm goign to have major meltdown and you're all weclome to see it." While everyone else is thinking 'why didn't you get here earlier and now you're expecting us to give you a special rule because you're autistic. God why do so many disabled people want special rules."


Here is one thing I don't like. You buy a plane ticket online and when you get to the airport, for some reason your seats has been cancelled. I hate it when that happens. Pisses me off. My dad told me it happens all the time when you fly so get used to it. That's why you arrive way early in case these things happens, plus long lines. Sould i have a speciel rule by being let on the plane anyway and have someone else forced to give up their seat because I have anxiety and aspergers? I don't think so. We must learn how do deal with this tuff and not expect to have special rules. I was raised to have the same rules as everyone else, not have a special rule just because I'm different. I have to learn to adapt and deal with stuff I don't like just like everyone else does.



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23 Oct 2006, 2:52 pm

No, he was on the plane waiting to disembark (I don't know if the plane was taxiing to the terminal). His wife was following him, shouting that he was bipolar and hadn't taken his meds or something.
She's lucky they didn't shoot her too. They had finished flying internationally. I don't remember if he said he had a bomb or if someone thought they heard that.



23 Oct 2006, 3:07 pm

KimJ wrote:
No, he was on the plane waiting to disembark (I don't know if the plane was taxiing to the terminal). His wife was following him, shouting that he was bipolar and hadn't taken his meds or something.
She's lucky they didn't shoot her too. They had finished flying internationally. I don't remember if he said he had a bomb or if someone thought they heard that.



That must have been a different article then. There was an article simular to it last year. This guy was in Florida going home somewhere back to Ohio and he and his wife were in line waiting to out their bags thru this x ray thing and he said he had a bomb in his bag. He wouldn't let the guys check it so they shot him. Only one of the online articles mentioned he was mentally ill but I didn't know what he had until my dad said "His wife said he had bipolar." He heard it on the news is how he knew. Amazing you can read a bunch of different articles on the same incident but all of them tell a little different story like none of the other articles mentioned the guy was ill except for one but it didn't say which one he has.



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23 Oct 2006, 3:25 pm

Man killed after bomb claim at airport
Official: Air marshals fired after he approached them aggressively

Wednesday, December 7, 2005; Posted: 8:41 p.m. EST (01:41 GMT)

Federal officials say Rigoberto Alpizar was arguing with a woman before the shooting.


MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A 44-year-old U.S. citizen who claimed to have a bomb was shot and killed when air marshals opened fire on a boarding bridge at the Miami airport, several sources told CNN. No bomb was found.

American Airlines Flight 924 was in Miami on a stopover during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, when the man, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, said there was a bomb in his carry-on backpack, a Department of Homeland Security official said.

Alpizar was confronted by a team of federal air marshals, who followed him down the boarding bridge and ordered him to get on the ground, the official said. ( Watch the aftermath of the shooting -- 1:36)

When Alpizar appeared to reach into his backpack, he was shot and wounded, the official said, adding that the marshals' actions were consistent with their training. Officials said later that the man died of his injuries. ( Watch an air marshal talk about his extensive training -- 5:03)

Upon investigation, there was no evidence that Alpizar had a bomb, an official said.

Alpizar was traveling with a woman and had arrived in Miami on a plane from Quito, Ecuador, federal officials said. He and the woman began arguing before getting off the plane in Miami, two officials said.

A passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran frantically down the aisle from the rear of the plane, arms flailing, and that the woman accompanying him said that her husband was bipolar and had not taken his medication, according to The Associated Press.

After he got off the plane in Miami and went through customs, he got on the Orlando-bound plane and said he had a bomb, Air Marshal Service spokesman Dave Adams said. (Read about air marshals being taught to avoid risk)

Air marshals asked him to get off the plane, which he did, but when they asked him to put his bag down, he refused, Adams said. Alpizar then approached the marshals in an aggressive manner, at which point two or three shots were fired, he said.

Karlina Griffith, translating for her grandmother, witness Miriam Delgado, told WFOR television that Delgado heard three gunshots before people started running and "going crazy." ( Watch a witness account -- :40)

Officials could not confirm if Alpizar suffered from mental illness. His mother-in-law told WKMG television in Orlando that he suffered from bipolar disorder, but his brother-in-law, Steven Buechner, told CNN he was unaware of any mental problems.

Alpizar moved to the United States from Costa Rica in 1986 and worked for Home Depot, Buechner said. He and his wife had been in South America since the day after Thanksgiving to help her uncle, a volunteer dentist, Buechner said.

Alpizar and his wife lived in Maitland, Florida, just a few miles north of Orlando, and they had no children, Buechner said.

The killing marks the first time a federal air marshal has fired a weapon at an individual since the program was bolstered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Footage from the scene showed armed SWAT team members carrying rifles outside the aircraft, along with more than a dozen police vehicles. Paramedics were standing on the stairway to the aircraft.

Investigators took the backpack and two other pieces of Alpizar's luggage onto the tarmac, and an explosives team blew the bag open by firing a bottle full of water at it. The water is used to effectively defuse any explosive device by separating its components.

The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET. It had arrived in Miami at 12:16 p.m. ET, according to the airline's Web site. No other flights at Miami International were disrupted Wednesday, an airport official said.


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This was an early story. I guess last year when I read about it, I mixed the prior argument story with the embarking story. Later stories talked about the man having had problems while out of the country. I guess he was pretty good about taking his meds and his friends and neighbors were shocked at the story. He was well liked and respected and it looks like it might have been a fluke thing. Some times meds build up in your system or don't work correctly anymore. He may have stopped taking them for that reason. But there should have been a way to deal with his outburst, especially as his wife was there and trying to explain it all.