"Hyperreflexivity" This Is The Answer

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30 Mar 2014, 12:21 pm

At the clinic where I was for my supposed schizophrenia they said I have "Hyperreflexivity" and I was even a part of a study for that. Now the results of the study are emerging. If you want to read more about hyperreflexivity go HERE.

What I understand under the term "Hyperreflexivity" is, that you are suddenly aware of all of your mental and body functions like walking and such (mostly body) and they are no more natural to you. You have to consciously walk, talk, swallow, behave, etc. and they don't come natural to you anymore. they dub it "too much thinking" and say it's a symptom of Schizophrenia which in turn also worsens Schizophrenia on its own. Do yourself a favor. read the link.

Now I TELL, it can be a symptom of Asperger's. or deranged Asperger's. If you try too hard to "behave" and "act like NT's" you would devalope "hyperreflexivity". As in my case. Since last week, I was ALWAYS in a very agitated and hypervigilant mood, trying to understand everything, forcing myself to be extrovert, trying to be superalert and interested in the surrounding (e.g, NOT having dissociation, not being cut away from the outer world) and I was so exhausted and unnatural by that. I was doing everything consciously with my poor frontal lobes. And to add insult to injury, in my sparetime (of which I have plenty) I played different social situation and tried to practice and prepare myself for putative future situation (which didn't work for real situations AT ALL anyways). Basically I have been screwing myself up in the last 10 - 14 years by trying to be someone I'm not, in a "hyperreflective" way. And they think it's Schizophrenia because they believe "hyperreflexivity" only occurs in Schizophrenia. Please real the link. it's too long for copy pasta and I believe it's also illegal.

So one evening, I was "meditating" (my meditation looks like everyone elses wide awake) and it struck me like lightning " stop acting!" (like an actor) and since then I'm very calm but autistic symptoms are showing up. like stimming (moving from leg to leg, very gently beating my head with my palm when I'm alone, moving my legs or hands before sleeping in bed , repeating words) I also don't look people in the eyes anymore and walk with my head down most of the time. My posture is horrible. I have no interest in getting social beyond my family at all (I used to believe I desparately need friends, WRONG). the thing is, I may look sicker to the outer world but all these stuff feel much more natural to me.

And I'm feeling so RELAXED and I'm feeling like i'm resting after a very long exhausting trip (normal trip not LSD trip)

I know this post is not really a question but never the less I want to hear some feedback. so here is your question mark "?".
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30 Mar 2014, 2:32 pm

Read the link. Wish I could have read the article and not just the excerpt but I don't have a login for that site. I too am trying to go with my authentic self and way of experiencing and behaving now instead of faking normalcy. I am much more relaxed. I have stopped making small talk and looking people in the eye in the store because it doesn't matter what they think of me, so why worry about it? I am not working currently, but it would be a real dilemma as to whether to apply this method to a situation such as a job where I needed people to like me.

If this works for you, go with it! I wish you the best!



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30 Mar 2014, 4:06 pm

Interesting article. I have some elements of Hyperreflexivity. I don't have schizophrenia but I do have Asperger's and possibly depersonalisation disorder. Hyperreflexivity sounds like it significantly overlaps with depersonalisation disorder, where there is a significant shift from what the article calls "being-body" to "having a body".


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30 Mar 2014, 5:21 pm

I believe there are 2 kinds of hyperreflexivity, the operative or basal kind, as well as the consequent or compensatory kind (which can also be called hyperreflectivity). Operative hyperreflexivity is completely involuntary, and is synonymous with the basic symptoms concept of basal irritation, basically where things (like thoughts, bodily sensations, things in the perceptual field) that were once naturally inhabited cease to be and you develop an abnormal awareness of them, which interferes with affect and motivation, along with engagement with the world. (When the person was talking about hyperreflexivity being specific to the schizophrenia spectrum, they were probably talking about the operative kind.) What you're talking about for Asperger's syndrome people is more of the compensatory hyperreflexivity, basically attempts to make up for a loosened grip on and understanding of things by spending lots of time thinking about them, which also makes it difficult to be natural--this also occurs in schizophrenia. Compensatory hyperreflexivity I think is less specific.

I'm curious, omid, did they discuss anything relating to self-disorders or anomalous self-experiences with you, ask questions like "do you experience your mental contents as being like physical objects" or "do you have the sense you're not really present in the world"? What country were you evaluated in?

TallyMan,

You are right. There are some similarities. There are also some important differences, as noted in this article:

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The discrepancies we found are indeed consistent with the notion that schizophrenia involves a fundamental disturbance of ipseity [very basic sense of self] disrupting the most profound level of ipseity or minimal self-hood (the very sense of existing as a distinct origin of awareness or perspective on the world).


https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gatewa ... df&site=42


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30 Mar 2014, 6:31 pm

I often get this feeling as well. It often makes me exhausted. When I let go of it I act like the stereotypical ADHDer. I still have eye contact and a varied tone of voice. I just interrupt people a lot and act very hyper.


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31 Mar 2014, 6:23 am

beneficii wrote:
I'm curious, omid, did they discuss anything relating to self-disorders or anomalous self-experiences with you, ask questions like "do you experience your mental contents as being like physical objects" or "do you have the sense you're not really present in the world"? What country were you evaluated in?


I can't really remember sorry. I was in a very bad mood at the time. I'm somewhat not present in the world but I dont experience my mental content as being like physical objects. And the non-presentness doesn't bother me that much. I was evaluated in germany, which is quite a crappy country when it comes to psychiatry. there are only 3 contact points for adult's with asperger's (just diagnosis, let alone therapy) and the waiting time is 12 - 14 months. and regular psychiatrists and therapists don't know crap crap about asperger's. you have to be half kanner to get an Asperger's diagnosis from them.


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31 Mar 2014, 7:17 am

omid wrote:
beneficii wrote:
I'm curious, omid, did they discuss anything relating to self-disorders or anomalous self-experiences with you, ask questions like "do you experience your mental contents as being like physical objects" or "do you have the sense you're not really present in the world"? What country were you evaluated in?


I can't really remember sorry. I was in a very bad mood at the time. I'm somewhat not present in the world but I dont experience my mental content as being like physical objects. And the non-presentness doesn't bother me that much. I was evaluated in germany, which is quite a crappy country when it comes to psychiatry. there are only 3 contact points for adult's with asperger's (just diagnosis, let alone therapy) and the waiting time is 12 - 14 months. and regular psychiatrists and therapists don't know crap crap about asperger's. you have to be half kanner to get an Asperger's diagnosis from them.


Same here. Lots of doctors here in the States like to diagnose bipolar disorder (I guess cuz it's easy to get reimbursement for, as autism is often not reimbursed by insurance here in the States) and often won't take a full history.

But still, do you have any of the results from that evaluation? It seems to be related to what I've been studying.


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31 Mar 2014, 10:21 am

beneficii wrote:
omid wrote:
Same here. Lots of doctors here in the States like to diagnose bipolar disorder (I guess cuz it's easy to get reimbursement for, as autism is often not reimbursed by insurance here in the States) and often won't take a full history.

But still, do you have any of the results from that evaluation? It seems to be related to what I've been studying.


Sorry I can't provide you any more information. the only thing I can tell is that I "seem to have said" that I sometimes feel as I'm "in a different place" ( that I am in reality. < added by me )


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31 Mar 2014, 11:49 am

omid wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Same here. Lots of doctors here in the States like to diagnose bipolar disorder (I guess cuz it's easy to get reimbursement for, as autism is often not reimbursed by insurance here in the States) and often won't take a full history.

But still, do you have any of the results from that evaluation? It seems to be related to what I've been studying.


Sorry I can't provide you any more information. the only thing I can tell is that I "seem to have said" that I sometimes feel as I'm "in a different place" ( that I am in reality. < added by me )


OK. Thanks.


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