Some of the people on this forum

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I was just reading a thread about that shooting.

Some of the people on here seem to have as many screws loose as the shooter.

What are your opinions on these comments?

"He was one of our own"
"Aspergers people are superior to Neurotypicals" ?

I think Asperger's was probably one of the least of his problems. He seemed to have adopted a philosophical mind-bend which was not based upon any reality--it was ideological, rather than experiential--in its substance.

I think there are many lonely people who do a lot of reading (especially pertaining to "conspiracy theories"), lack contact with the "real world," feel a desire to apply these "conspiracy theories" to their own situations, and ride a tide based upon an erroneous reality. They don't listen to reason, and they don't garner what is "real" from their experiences--they merely apply the conspiracy theory du jour to them.

I stay away from people who rely on ideology, rather than reality, as their overriding life-philosophy.

I think these forums are a perfect example of how clearly people with autism are as different or similar to each other as any group of people that happen to become "a group" based on certain differences or similarities. There's going to be people who sympathize and people who oppose, just like people from "other groups" would.

The member who posted that has now been banned from the site:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6073243.html#6073243

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I dont understand this whole, we are united just because we share similar difficulties. i will never understand the human nature to come together in these groups or factions. I dont see more relation with people with aspergers or autism than normal people. It leads to this whole us vs them, which is a really bad world view imo.

Superior definitely not. And what defines superior ? I would take being good at many of the aspects of life instead of being good at very few things and terrible at simple stuff like washing my own clothes without ruining it or changes its colors.

He is kinda scary, what can suddenly make the human mind snap like that. That is about the only thing that scares me about being as much of a loner as i am. Obviously he wasnt always like this.

But i guess it depends on how you look at the blame. if you focus all your energy and blaming other people, right or wrong. It just seems like a dangerous route. And taking the lives of innocent people that has nothing to do with it,

In many regards its not entirely off the way we are often told stories about fiction heroes, where the bad guys wants to make the world pay for all their pain and suffering. Where as the good guys wants to make sure it never happens to something else.

I know ive certainly had endured by fair share of pain and stuff with everything in life. and i certainly dont know about thinking about killing or hurting people. I believe it makes me stronger to make it a part of me and who i am.

He did have some luck, i mean at least he wasnt poor. I would venture and say ive had at least, if not worse luck with the females than he has. Virgin at 22 sounds about the same as me, but then add to that, growing up poor, losing your dad when you are like 3 or 4 years old, having to be grown up and help sick mother, having no friends, and no luck with the women.

You can certainly do a whole lot worse than just having problems with females, thats for sure. People are talking about some 140 pages manifesto or something, that sounds like a lot of hate, being build up, thats not just something that happens over the course of a few months of even years i would say, and then to get so consumed by it all, its sad it really is.

I disagree, remember Einstein? I am not talking specifically about autism, I mean geniuses in general (or people who are very good at something in particular, music, science, etc), sure some are good at different things, but many are very good in one or two areas of expertise, and bad at others, simple stuff included.

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I honestly feel as though his "Superior" comments were taken out of context. I feel as though he meant it in a motivational way, as in "Most aspies have a very wide range of intellect most others do not, and they should learn to use that intellect for their own betterment" There's more I could say but I'm aware it's against the rules to talk about banned members, so I will not - I just feel I should throw that out there since it is a social skills issue.

Having said that - yes, a lot of aspies can have a few "loose screws" and people should be mature in understanding why. There is obviously no link between autism and violence. However, there is a link between bullying and violence, and if aspies are much more prone to bullying, it can happen, unfortunately.

You read every day in the L&D forum people who consistently post for attention & validation, or post that they hate women. Literally, every single day.

I can only halfway emphasize "He's one of our own" we cannot all be linked or tarred with the same brush. We all fight constantly to show the world that his asperger's diagnosis is not the reason for the recent shootings, and it is not. Not at all.

But I can emphasize the need to have a better global understanding of Autism and asperger's, because I believe bullying and social isolation (and not from the dating scene, I mean in general) partially lead up to the behavior we witnessed. I feel we need to teach parents and students alike to accept and understand people with neurological differences so to help that they don't grow up to be such a person, and to make resources more available to adults and teens with asperger's syndrome, as you'll find they are shockingly limited. More therapy centered around asperger's for adults is a huge need, all the resources that exist are almost solely for diagnosing. Social groups are extremely difficult to come by.

Obviously this person (shooter) had serious underlying issues that had absolutely nothing to do with autism, his video and comments are psychopathy that even diagnosed psychopaths would be ashamed of. So there's no defending him.

I have my opinions about some members, especially the ones that are very self opinionated. I'll keep them to myself.

I think often times, some people on here - and many seem to be undiagnosed - seem to assume because they're labeled AS it gives them a certain right to be self opinionated. Don't get me wrong, many of us struggle, and we're all entitled to opinions whether they go against the grain or not. But I see a lot of people saying the wrong things, knowing that it's wrong, because they can use AS as a fall back. They think it's cool to do that ... which isn't AS at all, that's a personality disorder.

Whether you have compassion or not, you still know the fundamentals of right and wrong. Shooting someone for fun is defiantly wrong, and if you're comments are anything against that then you've got something more going on inside your mind then AS. Make you just as bad as the criminal.

I strongly agree with this. Whether or not someone has ASD is not reason alone for motivating murder.

Comments like that are despicable and extremely inappropriate. I do not like the "us and them" mentality some people have; I just want to live a life that's as normal as possible, and promoting the idea that people with AS are "superior" or "the next step in evolution", will make this difficult.

With that being said, nobody is born a spree killer. Spree killers are molded by society. ?I wouldn?t say a single word. I would listen to what they had to say, and that?s what no one did.? -- Marilyn Manson, in response to what he'd say to the spree killers of Columbine High.

Elliott Rodgers was raised in an entitlement culture.

The facts are, he was given a lot of what people thought was 'support and help' He had a dx, he had medical care, he had a psychologist and therapist, he got to attend a good University, he had family nearby... And the people who were on the front line of his therapeutic environment were calling the police on him - he was freaking them out and what he did not get, was stopped - until he went ballistic.

This kid had computer access and he knew how to use it, he had a BMW to drive...he most likely never went hungry a day in his life. This guy had a lot, but he wanted more - he seemed to think he was entitled to it...and when he could not get it, he had a calculated and twisted violent melt down. And if we listen with the the heart, we hear what he really did not have. He did not have a sense of place in the world, he did not have a sense of being successful, he did not have the sensations he craved. His world told him that to be a man, he was supposed to get the girl, have sex, be popular.- blah blah blah.

He did not have a real connection with anyone...he did not feel loved - and it may be that he never was really loved.

His videos reveal he felt isolated, rejected and humiliated...and his solution was borne out of the one thing that made him feel otherwise...a culture of media violence that made him feel virtually powerful and lustfully mighty (the video games and movies he saw)...So he used that 'education' to create one last REAL moment of real power.

And the world is shocked? I think it's all too easy to see what happened, Elliott Rodgers, Adam Lanza and a lot of other guys are the end product of the recipe for disaster being cooked up by this culture of entitlement and violent self fulfillment...

Having meltdowns and having social difficulties is a part of being on the spectrum - Unfortunately, sometimes we're like everyone else ... we break bad.

I'll say something even less apropriate, that open AS identification is profilable in a culture of rationing.

imo, the accused sought notoriety, was abusing the label, and would potentially attract unwanted attention.

I've just watched the video Elliot posted online. Wow, the guy had serious issues. To "inflict revenge" on women because they wouldn't date him or sleep with him is very disturbing. He sat so calm and you could see he was genuine.

Very disturbing.

Is this video on youtube?

Yes, the video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tndiUZfPnFc

I am of two minds here. If that makes sense. And I hope to god I don't get banned.

On one end of the spectrum, what the shooter did was WRONG. I know this logically. I know he did more harm than good. I am of the mindset that he had done something terrible and is facing the consequences for doing something terrible like that.

On the other end of the argument, I understand the shooter or what the murder might have been thinking. I grew up in a broken home environment. The woman who gave birth to me abused me, emotionally and physically. Because my father worked so much he was never around, but the woman who gave birth to me was home by the time I was done with school. I went to school to be bullied and belittle. Only to come home and be bullied and belittled by my mother. There is a lot of frustration a lot of pent up energy. And sometimes your mind goes to dark places. I am a writer so I escaped into my imagination to make the bad stuff go away and be somewhere happier.

The thing is. What he did was wrong. I agree. I think he was a disturbed individual and recognize that. I also recognize what emotions may have caused such a disturbance in his life.