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Ecomatt91
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26 Sep 2015, 9:31 pm

My written expression reflects on my life as being intelligent and talented young man, upon reflections from my family and friends who have told me who I am to their perspectives. We have two different worlds we are living here:
1. Intelligent and no social skills
2. Socially inept but not intelligent

We all cannot balanced these two together, by only support is through mentoring, that my friends recently started helping and supporting me. There are so many ways how to develop awareness of different perspectives, basing judgment on between intelligence and social skills.

But Bill Gates gave you computers, he is also an aspie too! There are hundred and thousands of scientists, economists, artists and doctors in the past century who created a world today are actually would classified as aspies in today's world.

http://matttheaspiesworld.blogspot.com. ... world.html



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27 Sep 2015, 12:38 am

I know people that are very intelligent with good social skills and a lot more people with poor intelligence and poor social skills.

I agree that the percentage of a Aspies in the sciences and the creative fields is higher then in the population in general. What I do not do is make blanket statements that a current celebrity smart person is an Aspie unless they were professionally diagnosed or self diagnosed after exhaustive research(many vigorously disagree with any self diagnosis). Aspergers is a lot more then just a presentation of social ackwardess combined with intelligence(It is important to rembember that an aspie can also have average intellengence despite the widespread perception it is a condition of just high intellengence) It often involves sensory sensitivities, executive functioning issues, must involve repetive behaviors (be it special interests or stimming) and the traits must have been present when the suspected aspie was very young. With a celebrity often you only see them in public situations that are often munipulated for public relations purposes. You don't see their private lives. Biographies can fill in in the gaps but since the core traits of autism are often found in other conditions at most I will say is said celebrity has a lot of aspie triats or that I highly suspect Bill Gates is autistic because of his somewhat ackward presentation combined with appearent stimming. I just do not have the evidence to definitely say Bill Gates is an aspie.

Finding definitive evidence is even harder when trying to retro diagnose an historical figure such as Isaac Newton.


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27 Sep 2015, 4:57 am

There are few Ted talks on autism and I think you may come across useful.

https://www.ted.com/playlists/153/the_autism_spectrum

One of them mentioned that, if the world without intelligence like what aspies are, the society today cease to exist.



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27 Sep 2015, 7:55 am

I would say Man has definitely benefitted from alternative perspectives, including the Aspie/Autistic perspective.



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27 Sep 2015, 11:48 am

It's not ok to refer to someone as an aspie unless it it first approved by the SS authority.

Appeals to authority is part of the "reptile brain".
It's a group of memes that ensures the establishment and maintenance of social hierarchies.
Resistance is futile.



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27 Sep 2015, 12:27 pm

Many of histories great men may have been Autistic, but not many today are. The systems rigged so you have to be a socialite to get anywhere in life.



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27 Sep 2015, 12:35 pm

olympiadis wrote:
It's not ok to refer to someone as an aspie unless it it first approved by the SS authority.

Appeals to authority is part of the "reptile brain".
It's a group of memes that ensures the establishment and maintenance of social hierarchies.
Resistance is futile.

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27 Sep 2015, 5:05 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Many of histories great men may have been Autistic, but not many today are. The systems rigged so you have to be a socialite to get anywhere in life.


You are referring to Gates' situation? He is not formally diagnosed, or even he is privately diagnosed. He gave computers as a reward to people for the world. But he may be worried losing his status if he is an aspie where people view him socially awkward.

The world accepted E=MC2 from Einstein, then later on he would assumed as an aspie in today's society. But the world entirely accepted him in same way as Gates.

But yes, today world is about popularity contest. Its quite sad now, because there are amazing people who are not publicly known. Like me, I have done a lot of amazing things, but the world doesn't know me.



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27 Sep 2015, 10:25 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Many of histories great men may have been Autistic, but not many today are. The systems rigged so you have to be a socialite to get anywhere in life.



Yep. Nikola Tesla would be institutionalized in today's society.
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28 Sep 2015, 7:12 am

Ecomatt91 wrote:
But yes, today world is about popularity contest. Its quite sad now, because there are amazing people who are not publicly known. Like me, I have done a lot of amazing things, but the world doesn't know me.


It is quite sad, but I am convinced that a society built around "selling" yourself cannot support its own weight forever, because it places too much value on people who are good at nothing but social interaction. Perhaps not in our lifetime, but sooner or later it will have to change or collapse under the stress of carrying too much highly-paid "dead weight".

That said, with the rapid explosion of the internet it has never been easier in human history to share the things you do without face-to-face contact. I would encourage everyone to continue being amazing, and if possible pursue inventions or discoveries that make alternatives to the "used-car salesman" culture more viable...



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28 Sep 2015, 7:47 am

ProbablyOverthinkingThisUsername wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
But yes, today world is about popularity contest. Its quite sad now, because there are amazing people who are not publicly known. Like me, I have done a lot of amazing things, but the world doesn't know me.


It is quite sad, but I am convinced that a society built around "selling" yourself cannot support its own weight forever, because it places too much value on people who are good at nothing but social interaction. Perhaps not in our lifetime, but sooner or later it will have to change or collapse under the stress of carrying too much highly-paid "dead weight".

That said, with the rapid explosion of the internet it has never been easier in human history to share the things you do without face-to-face contact. I would encourage everyone to continue being amazing, and if possible pursue inventions or discoveries that make alternatives to the "used-car salesman" culture more viable...

History is definitely on the side of collapse of all human constructed social hierarchies. The same pattern has been repeating itself again and again.



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28 Sep 2015, 8:08 am

His last name is Tainter ^ haha


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28 Sep 2015, 8:13 am

What amazing things have you done, sir?

I, myself, haven't done anything amazing.



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28 Sep 2015, 9:37 am

jbw wrote:
History is definitely on the side of collapse of all human constructed social hierarchies. The same pattern has been repeating itself again and again.


That would be because hierarchy is nothing more than a pyramid scheme. The same conclusion could be drawn from the natural world-- there's a reason apex species don't survive extinction events.



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28 Sep 2015, 9:39 am

Extinction is inevitable---it's just a matter of how long it takes. It could take a few seconds, or it could take eons.



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28 Sep 2015, 9:49 am

Extinction is like sloppy anal sex - it causes a great deal of pain and the aftermath is largely brown.


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