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09 Feb 2016, 6:28 am

I started thinking about how I would behave differently if other people weren't around, and how much of my behaviour is actually ruled by trying to look "normal" for other people. I get very self-conscious and at times, that blocks everything else out, so I'm not really having my own experience of life, so much as being hyper-aware of how others are (or might be) viewing me.
Take walking in the rain / getting wet for example. It was raining recently, and I was initially annoyed at having to run between awnings and getting wet, until I realised that I actually didn't mind getting wet, or walking in the rain. What I disliked was others looking at me, interpreting "wet" with "not ok" and I have to appear ok at all times. Being aware that wet clothing sticks to you and everyone could see all the things I dislike about my body and usually cover up with loose fitting clothing. If no one else was around, I would not have minded walking in the rain at all.
Even being totally absorbed with patting a friendly cat on the path, I couldn't fully enjoy the encounter with an animal because I was aware that people in the cat's house would be eyeing me off, people oncoming would want me to move, that it's "weird" to sit on the path and pat cats, which is exactly what I wanted to do.
How about you all? How is your behaviour and experience of life influenced by others? How would you behave if other people weren't around? Would you prefer it, or not? D you do what you want to do regardless of how weird it looks, or are you conscious of looking normal?


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09 Feb 2016, 7:33 am

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I started thinking about how I would behave differently if other people weren't around, and how much of my behaviour is actually ruled by trying to look "normal" for other people. I get very self-conscious and at times, that blocks everything else out, so I'm not really having my own experience of life, so much as being hyper-aware of how others are (or might be) viewing me.
Take walking in the rain / getting wet for example. It was raining recently, and I was initially annoyed at having to run between awnings and getting wet, until I realised that I actually didn't mind getting wet, or walking in the rain. What I disliked was others looking at me, interpreting "wet" with "not ok" and I have to appear ok at all times. Being aware that wet clothing sticks to you and everyone could see all the things I dislike about my body and usually cover up with loose fitting clothing. If no one else was around, I would not have minded walking in the rain at all.
Even being totally absorbed with patting a friendly cat on the path, I couldn't fully enjoy the encounter with an animal because I was aware that people in the cat's house would be eyeing me off, people oncoming would want me to move, that it's "weird" to sit on the path and pat cats, which is exactly what I wanted to do.
How about you all? How is your behaviour and experience of life influenced by others? How would you behave if other people weren't around? Would you prefer it, or not? D you do what you want to do regardless of how weird it looks, or are you conscious of looking normal?


I say, screw what other people think. I am also hyper-aware of how my behaviors look. Luckily, early in life, somehow miraculously, I decided I liked being odd to others.

I relate very personally to your examples.

I love the rain. I love walking in a drenching rain and getting soaked through (provided I don't have to be anywhere where I can't change my clothes after). I also hate sunny days. I totally flip "nice day" with what most people think a nice day is. To me it's cool in the 50s, breezy, overcast and raining. Or a warm summer thunderstorm. People think this odd. That's ok, because I live for me and not others.

Same with the animals. I love birds. Especially the geese, whom everyone really seems to hate. They routinely will be in the field next to my job eating. I have zero problem pulling my car over and talking to them out the window while other cars drive by. I ask them silly questions just like i would by parrot at home (I know they can't answer/understand- it amuses me though). I look like I'm friggin insane. But I like it, so who the hell cares.

My first point, and this may be unique to someone who's an animal like I am, say something to me. Please say something. I will rip you apart with my words. If I cannot I may use my hands then.

I also do it as a way to advertise myself to other oddballs who may not be as comfortable as me in public. Even if we never speak, it may give someone else the courage to just be themselves unfiltered also.

I'm crazy and know it.



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09 Feb 2016, 7:54 am

My philosophy is:

If you don't harm anybody with your weirdness, why should people care that you're weird?

I act weird, but I act friendly. I don't harm anybody with my weirdness.

Weirdness with a smile, I call it.



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09 Feb 2016, 8:11 am

I would give anything for the power of invisibility.



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09 Feb 2016, 8:22 am

You would have liked some of the old Tom and Jerry cartoons--and other cartoons from that time, too.

Sometimes, the characters would find some kind of "invisibility" formula, and wreak havoc because, now, they were invisible!



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09 Feb 2016, 8:42 am

On Lord of the Rings Online one of my characters is a Burglar class Hobbit who I can make invisible. And wreak havoc he does haha. And when he's visible, he wears harvest (halloween) festival masks that cover his entire face and head. And he acts just as unruly viable as invisible. My truest alter ego.



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09 Feb 2016, 9:12 am

I've always wished I could be invisible too. Though the one 'weird' thing I finally decided I didn't care about was petting trees and bushes and flowers, and saying hello to them. (While ignoring people - oops?!) It's my happy thing.



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09 Feb 2016, 9:59 am

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I get very self-conscious and at times, that blocks everything else out, so I'm not really having my own experience of life, so much as being hyper-aware of how others are (or might be) viewing me.

Yes, social anxiety pervades my entire life, though I seem to hide it quite well. Diagnosis made it worse, realising that I was very likely full of social ineptitude, having to revisit all those memories of puzzling complaints and filthy looks that I'd been thinking were down to the other people being the jerks :oops: :cry: The great thing about being alone is that I don't have to worry about how I'm coming over.



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09 Feb 2016, 11:04 pm

I was trained from an early age to conform in all possible ways - anything else would be an embarassment to our family (according to my folks, siblings, extended relatives, etc). Actually being on the spectrum - any spectrum - was not a permissible option. So, I did my best. I repressed everything. Stims became internalized. Discomfort became internalized. Everything became internalized until there was nothing left but a shell that passed approval. Oh, it wasn't perfect, it wasn't even very good, but it was just barely good enough and deemed far more acceptable than when I was myself.

I grew up, went to school, found a love, got married, got a career...and then we had children of our own. And that first child was just like me in every possible way. Every trained judgment in me said that the proper thing for my child to do was conform. Hide it all away, no matter the cost. I couldn't do it, though. I knew the price they'd pay. Now each time one of those trained judgements rears it's head in my head, I know what to do. I know what will cause harm and what will help my child grow.

And the thing is, now I have to lead by example. And what I've found is there are a lot more of us freaks out there than we were led to believe when we were young. And when a young freak sees me being myself and getting away with it, they'll know there is hope for them, too.

(note: Freak is used intentionally as I was called that and other derogatory terms growing up. Now I *own* it. They can consider me a "freak" all they want because quite frankly, I've lived their life and it sucks.)


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09 Feb 2016, 11:22 pm

I behave quite differently when alone. I behave more as a child would. I sing, and jump around, and act silly. I run instead of walk, and do other things that would be more expected of children.



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09 Feb 2016, 11:39 pm

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I behave quite differently when alone. I behave more as a child would. I sing, and jump around, and act silly. I run instead of walk, and do other things that would be more expected of children.

I think this is a facet of avoiding autistic burnout, actually. You need that time to just be autistic and behave as an autistic does, without having to keep up the facade 24/7. The counsellor tells me that constant stress, even at a low level, can account for all sorts of wild symptoms. Which is why I find living with others so difficult. I'm constantly hyper alert for them being around and having to be normal. Living alone I tend to do things I wouldn't do if I had flatmates (like clothing bothers me, so I tend not to wear it living alone :twisted: )
I once had a flatmate who pretended not to be home for some reason I don't understand, and it really pissed me off. Even if I was only doing something innocent and slightly weird, like watching the same scene if a movie 10,000 times, I still would not do that if I was aware anyone else was watching / listening. I'd be doing all these quirky things thinking that no one else was in the house, then I'd find out he'd been "secretly" hiding in his room the whole time, cracking the door to spy on me occasionally.
Needing private time is fine, but you could at least announce yourself to spare others embarrassment of thinking they're alone.
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10 Feb 2016, 4:41 pm

I don't act differently outside depending on whether people are there or not. When I'm out, I'm simply moving from A to B and that's what I do. I do feel a lot more relaxed though when there are no one around (or with family only). Like OP I usually don't care about rain, and I don't care if people find that weird. It's just as weird to me to act like one is highly allergic to rain. When I'm simply moving from A to B there really isn't anything to downplay or not do. I never feel like singing, dancing or skipping, regardless of who is or isn't there.

Indoors I don't really do a lot of things differently, but like C2V I do avoid replaying parts of videos or DVDs if someone else is listening in, or if they're simply home. The main reason why I replay it these days isn't to hear it again over and over, it's because I so easily get distracted by my own musings and lose track of it. I can easily rewind tens of times to get the entire content of a 20-30 minute show/video.
at home there would be times I would watch more TV than I do if I were on my own (re-watching previously seen movies/ series). But there are also times where I would have the TV on less than it is now.
Either way, I'm relaxed when I'm home, and I just act like myself there.

I wouldn't prefer to live alone; it would be more expensive, more work, I'd have a hard time sleeping at night (I get lots of nightmares and interrupted sleep when I sleep alone at home or hotels (alone as in the only person in the apartment/ hotel room; not sharing bed with anyone) and most importantly, very lonely.
But I definitely prefer for there not to be people around when I'm out and when I can I go out at times when I'm less likely to encounter anyone.

When I was in school I would downplay myself somewhat, how much and how would depend on age and circumstances like mood and crowd. For the most part I was just there without doing anything to draw attention to myself (not avoiding it per se, just not trying to get it, very much like was described in a recent post, I react to life, I'm not proactive. I have never had any NT mask.


I don't think I would want to be invisible. I'd have to be hyper vigilant in order to not be injured and I'm too much into my own world to do that for long. Maybe short term when passing intimidating individuals/groups.


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10 Feb 2016, 5:16 pm

Tony Attwood said Autism can be cured.
You just have to remove other people.


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I behave quite differently when alone. I behave more as a child would. I sing, and jump around, and act silly. I run instead of walk, and do other things that would be more expected of children.

I think this is a facet of avoiding autistic burnout, actually. You need that time to just be autistic and behave as an autistic does, without having to keep up the facade 24/7. The counsellor tells me that constant stress, even at a low level, can account for all sorts of wild symptoms. Which is why I find living with others so difficult. I'm constantly hyper alert for them being around and having to be normal.


I behave very differently when alone. I can talk to my pets and myself as much as I like - and I'm ridiculously fluent when there's no one else around to hear me! I wish I could express myself so well in front of other people. I'm so comfortable with myself when other people aren't there.

C2V, I've tried share accommodation and just cannot do it, for the same reasons as you, as well as because other people can be unreliable (eg late rent), unpredictable (you know, the horror of coming home to a spontaneous dinner party after a draining day at work) and have social expectations of a housemate. I either have no idea what these expectations might be or I simply don't care to meet them. The stress of having a housemate was a large part of why I collapsed into severe anxiety and depression in the second half of my twenties. Never again.



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11 Feb 2016, 2:03 am

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I've always wished I could be invisible too. Though the one 'weird' thing I finally decided I didn't care about was petting trees and bushes and flowers, and saying hello to them. (While ignoring people - oops?!) It's my happy thing.


I do this too. In the spring and summer when it's warm out and the trees are in bloom, I go on what I call "impulse walks", where I suddenly find myself walking out the door, without having made the conscious decision to do so, as if someone else is controlling my legs. I just start walking down the street, sometimes in my bare or sock feet because all my body wanted was to get out, and it didn't care about things like shoes. I'll flap and hum and bounce and run and walk on my toes, and I'll stop to examine the veins on the leaves of trees I pass. I find such details comforting, like the world around me has just stopped, and I'm in a space all my own, examining every tiny detail of the miniature scene in front of me. I do this a lot in places with a lot of novelty or visual appeal too, like craft stores. I just sort of spot things of interest and wander off, away from whomever I'm with without noticing. I spent ten minutes yesterday playing with an intricately designed necklace chain, because I loved seeing how all the links fit together; it reminded me rather of a spaceship. The only thought or concern I give to other people when I'm in this space is the worry that they might see me behaving this way and assume I'm mentally disabled and lost, and will try to "help" me. It hasn't happened so far, but the autism tag strapped permanently to my wrist doesn't help me prove I'm mentally stable to strangers.


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11 Feb 2016, 3:29 am

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I once had a flatmate who pretended not to be home for some reason I don't understand, and it really pissed me off. Even if I was only doing something innocent and slightly weird, like watching the same scene if a movie 10,000 times, I still would not do that if I was aware anyone else was watching / listening. I'd be doing all these quirky things thinking that no one else was in the house, then I'd find out he'd been "secretly" hiding in his room the whole time, cracking the door to spy on me occasionally.
Needing private time is fine, but you could at least announce yourself to spare others embarrassment of thinking they're alone.
Edit - grr bloody autocorrect!


That would probably really traumatize me. That's awful to pretend not to be around in order to spy on someone.

I only can be myself at home, because there are things about me, such as behaving like a child, that would seem odd to others and embarrass me.

I cry a lot when alone, I sing, I talk to myself, I do stims that I usually hide, I slide across the floor in my socks (lol), and just generally let the "normal adult" act go for awhile. Not that I actually pass for a normal adult.