anyone bipolar as well as aspie?
Someone several months ago (last fall) brought up cyclothymia, which is a mild form of Bipolar disorder. I studied the DSM and answered questions and asked my husband some stuff. I'm convinced I have it. I have been going to therapy (Cognitive Behavior Therapy) since December and have been doing well. the "spells" are short and terrible but I don't think of them as "really me" anymore. that is, I don't take them literally as meaning something other than a delusional spell.
the next step for me is to decide how to get rid of them. They only last several days at a time. I'm trying to start an exercise program to increase the serotonin levels in my brain. if that is too hard or doesn't work, I will think about hormone therapy.
Cyclothymia is a mild version of Bipolar where you have ups and down, but you can not have actual "manic" episodes (which would distinguish it as true Bipolar). So, hypomanic, normal and depression. My hypomanic is bad though, I don't get "reckless" or dangerous but I'm unreasonable, excited and accusatory. I don't connect my spells to each other when I'm in the middle of one, that is, they feel new to me everytime. Sometimes I can tell that I'm saying something that is crazy and sometimes I can't. Then when it's over, I disconnect from the negative feeling, "I don't know why I felt that way".
It leads to paranoia because you see things that aren't true and you think people are trying to make you seem crazy. It greatly interferred with decision-making because you are in an extreme mood all the time and can't remember feeling normal.
Possibly. I know I was diagnosed with it, but my episodes have been mostly gone, and far less extreme these days. Leads my dad to think the Psychiatrist I saw about it is a quack.
I dunno. My manics were usually a akin to a sugar high but much greater in degree. Boundless energy, uncontrollable happiness, urges to do things. One time I walked up the street to a conveniance store and back in 10 minutes, which itusually takes me 15 or more. I was so excited and jumpy, that the clerk must that thought I was on drugs.
So far I haven't taken any mood stablizers, partly because of my dad urging me in his own little way to not take them, but mainly because the severity of the issue reduced to managle levels. I'm down alot, oftern spiralling, but Nothing as extreme as before.
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Aren't the super lows and super highs kind of the essence of the thing? Why do you think you have it if you don't have the core symptom?
I was DX'ed BiPolar at 20. I was on lithium and Zoloft. It did not not do much. I went off it (my mother insisted, long story) again, nothing happened. I am sure that some Aspies are BP. But I know with myself, that my BP tendancies are highly reactive to my "interests" my "obsessions" and my "stresses". I can be lower then low, but if DH walks in the door with something neat BAM! I am right there front and center! Or, I can be feeling fine, but when I don't get my way, or something happens to interupt a plan I had, I fall hard and fast into "meltdown".
I think this is also hypothosized as "reactive depression". But with me, it is just so so so severe!
I actually have written a little write up about this "emotional dsyfunction" I seem to suffer from, and what other people have told me about their emotions and feelings.... It is a little rough, needs editing, but the point I think is clear...
To clarify the “unresponsive reaction” the observer may notice that during events that typically should result in a response, the event seemingly “washes over” the ASD individual or that the ASD individual internalizes their emotions, appearing equally unresponsive, subdued, or in extreme cases; slips into a catatonic like state or falls asleep. It is important to distinguish, that this unresponsiveness will appear as either the event had no effect on the individual (they lack awareness) or it evokes a “shutdown”.
Conversely, with seemingly little provocation, the ASD individual may over react, or seem unable to control the intensity of their emotions. It may come across as an overly strong reaction, rage, a tantrum or a nervous breakdown. It is important to note, that this will also occur for other emotions other then anger, such as sadness.
Sometimes the ASD individual has a tendency of gravitating to one side of the spectrum more then the other. For those that tend to over react, they may appear to suffer from “Emotional Dysregulation”. For those who usually show no emotion, they may be labelled with:
Aexithymia (inability to verbally express emotion)
Apathy, (a lack of emotional reactivity)
or Emotional repression (subconscious but motivated denial of emotion).
Notwithstanding, the ASD individual may not always lean towards one pole or the other concerning emotional reactivity. Some may swing wildly between the two ends of the spectrum, unable to “regulate” their feelings. This may come across as “bipolar” to the untrained observer.
One important difference between this form of ASD Emotional Dysfunction, and Bipolar is that the response is emotionally driven as an inappropriate reaction to events, not an overall predominating mood or chemical imbalance. The individual is unlikely to exhibit periods of psychoses or extreme mania, although many may appear to be suffering with rapidly cycling “hypo-mania”. Great care needs to be taken in determining if the ASD individual actually suffers from Bipolar or not. Self diagnosis is not recommended, as co morbidity of BP and ASD has been reported. Make sure that the ASD individual with symptoms of BP is seen by a professional who is knowledgeable with both disorders.
i have thought several times i might be bipolar. at times my mood fluctuates wildly, ranging from almost manic to severely depressed. i am not like this all the time though, it is quite sporadic in how it manifests itself. not sure if external factors maybe influence it. but like calandale, i have no intention of taking anti-depressants and therefore am sceptical about discussing it with a doctor. so i'll likely never know for sure.
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I believe I am both an Aspie and bipolar. If I am bipolar, I'm what's called "Bipolar II", which has "hypomania" instead of mania. The main difference is that true mania is insane, i.e. you think you're doing tremendous things, when in fact you're outputting nonsense at whatever it is you're being manic about. Hypomania is sane by definition, and is simply a once-in-a-long-while extreme occupation, usually constructive, but still not "normal", because you are totally locked into being obsessed with accomplishing that one thing (whatever activity you've chosen). But both Bipolar and Bipolar II have the same depression cycles. I definitely have the hypomania cycles, and always have, and I definitely have the depression cycles, and always have. But I'm not quite in the "disaster" range as far as outcomes, so I've decides against meds. Being depressed sucks, but being on anti-depressants can be downright scarry, as I have experienced briefly, several years ago. Then, I read that normal anti-depressants often send bipolar people into more extreme bipolar cycles! Rather, bipolar people need specialized meds like mood stablizers.
I am interested in communicating with any Aspies who believe they are also bipolar, so as to help better understand my condition.
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I spend considerably more time down than up , and recently since last september i have had some terrible lows that have resulted in me being placed on anti psychotics and mood stabilizers . The extreme depression and hallucinations happened whilst taking an anti depressant so it is quite possible i am bipolar and that those medications accentuated it . I never minded being hypomanic , at least not until afterwards when i realised all the stupid stuff id done , but i just spent years thinking i was extremly stupid as well as socially incompetant.
I wasnt aware that AS people were so highly reactive to there environment , and if that is so that could also explain my extreme , paranoia , depression and anxiety . I hate that everything about me seems to be extreme . The rest of the population copes with life but the slightest problem and im in pieces and suicidal , i feel quite pathetic and useless.
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Ragtime, read my description and personal experience with cyclothymia I posted above. My therapist (whom I was originally seeing for severe depression) doesn't ever suggest prescription meds. She always starts with "habits of mind" first and then now that it's clear I'm having cyclical mood swings that are physiological, she has strongly suggested exercise. The kind of vigorous exercise that pumps up your heart and shoots serotonin into your brain (or whereever it's supposed to go).
I haven't really stuck with the program but I intend to. Mood swings really mess me up because I have such an "analytical" style of thinking. Instead of knowing that I'm emotional, like many NTs will, I start accusing the world of consipiring against me and uniformly being effed up. I have known women and men dealing with mood swings as turning inward, bingeing on comforts and acknowledging that they are temporarily sensitive. I have a hard time getting to that point.
