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30 Aug 2016, 5:03 am

A friend of mine has a baby who is just over a month old, but she said that the baby has not cried at all since she was born, only made a few noises (so she does have vocal chords) but not really communicated by crying at all, and she is not exaggerating either. She and her husband are happy about it and thinks she's a ''really good girl'' because she doesn't cry - not even in the night. I was just wondering if it is normal that some babies don't cry, and that it couldn't be a warning sign of something like Autism, although I don't like to say that to her. There are a lot of people in her family who have not Autism but other things like ADHD and dyspraxia, and I think my friend's older sister has a few AS traits.

Also in photos the baby always has a blank look and she hasn't learnt to smile yet, although maybe she is still too young to smile or have expressions? Can more severe cases of Autism be noticeable in a tiny baby or not so?


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30 Aug 2016, 5:19 am

I´d say, there´s a good reason to keep an eye on that babygirl. Babies are supposed to express their needs vividly.
Could be autism or it could be some either mental or physical inability to express her needs.
Very young babies often look a bit blank, but be observant.


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30 Aug 2016, 5:29 am

Hang on a bit, the wee thing hasn't been in the world very long. May just be a very contented baby.

Signs of things wrong tend to appear around the second to third year, and then at points where the demands made on the person (Nursery, school, secondary school etc) exceed the person's capacity to cope.

Probably doesn't cry because the wee lassie is getting fed when she needs it, kept not to warm and not to cold, getting backside etc cleaned before getting discomfort.



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30 Aug 2016, 5:44 am

Yeah - she might be a quiet, content girl - but, keeping an eye on her doesn´t hurt anyone.


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30 Aug 2016, 5:50 am

Keeping an eye is cool....but worrying at one month of age, I believe, is sort of counterproductive.



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30 Aug 2016, 6:49 am

I've heard from my mother that I barely ever cried when I was a baby, and I have mild Asperger's. So I'd say chances are she does have an ASD. As has already been said, keeping an eye on her isn't a bad idea, but considering that she's still a baby, it might just be a false alarm.


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30 Aug 2016, 7:23 am

Joe90 wrote:
A friend of mine has a baby who is just over a month old, but she said that the baby has not cried at all since she was born, only made a few noises (so she does have vocal chords) but not really communicated by crying at all, and she is not exaggerating either. She and her husband are happy about it and thinks she's a ''really good girl'' because she doesn't cry - not even in the night. I was just wondering if it is normal that some babies don't cry, and that it couldn't be a warning sign of something like Autism, although I don't like to say that to her. There are a lot of people in her family who have not Autism but other things like ADHD and dyspraxia, and I think my friend's older sister has a few AS traits.

Also in photos the baby always has a blank look and she hasn't learnt to smile yet, although maybe she is still too young to smile or have expressions? Can more severe cases of Autism be noticeable in a tiny baby or not so?


Most one month old babies don't smile yet. That's normal. And the "blank look" is also normal. Babies at that age can't really focus on things well. That should change soon.

As for the lack of crying - well, you have a point. Its unusual. But its really too soon to tell. Some babies are just more mellow than others. Their is no therapy for babies this young. All that kid really needs is for her parents to take care of her basic needs and to be given time. If her parents are very responsive to her signals that she needs something, she might not have a lot of reason to cry yet.

One social skills tip - Do NOT say any thing to the parents or the immediate family of the parents. They will get all angry and weird about it. Its just one of those human instinct things. At this age, any criticism is met like you are trying to eat the baby. So, just keep your suspicions to yourself and watch the kid grow. Its a fascinating process.

It's around the first birthday that it starts to become appropriate to really look at whether the child is interacting with the world typically.



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30 Aug 2016, 7:47 am

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One social skills tip - Do NOT say any thing to the parents or the immediate family of the parents. They will get all angry and weird about it. Its just one of those human instinct things. At this age, any criticism is met like you are trying to eat the baby. So, just keep your suspicions to yourself and watch the kid grow. Its a fascinating process.


Um, I know that. I mentioned in my OP that I don't want to say anything to them about it, because of that reason, and also because it's just a thought I had, that I'd thought I'd express here, not something to go around assuming openly. I just get interested by these things.

I first smiled at 3 weeks old, but I suppose some babies can be a bit later.


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30 Aug 2016, 8:36 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Keeping an eye is cool....but worrying at one month of age, I believe, is sort of counterproductive.

Probably. I suppose, you´re right.


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30 Aug 2016, 9:00 am

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One social skills tip - Do NOT say any thing to the parents or the immediate family of the parents. They will get all angry and weird about it. Its just one of those human instinct things. At this age, any criticism is met like you are trying to eat the baby. So, just keep your suspicions to yourself and watch the kid grow. Its a fascinating process.


Um, I know that. I mentioned in my OP that I don't want to say anything to them about it, because of that reason, and also because it's just a thought I had, that I'd thought I'd express here, not something to go around assuming openly. I just get interested by these things.

I first smiled at 3 weeks old, but I suppose some babies can be a bit later.


I've done the same thing. Say it here in the hopes that it will quench the desire to say it in the real world. Because while I mean no harm, people have a tendency to take things meant literally and run away with them.



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30 Aug 2016, 10:58 am

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Joe90 wrote:
A friend of mine has a baby who is just over a month old, but she said that the baby has not cried at all since she was born, only made a few noises (so she does have vocal chords) but not really communicated by crying at all, and she is not exaggerating either. She and her husband are happy about it and thinks she's a ''really good girl'' because she doesn't cry - not even in the night. I was just wondering if it is normal that some babies don't cry, and that it couldn't be a warning sign of something like Autism, although I don't like to say that to her. There are a lot of people in her family who have not Autism but other things like ADHD and dyspraxia, and I think my friend's older sister has a few AS traits.

Also in photos the baby always has a blank look and she hasn't learnt to smile yet, although maybe she is still too young to smile or have expressions? Can more severe cases of Autism be noticeable in a tiny baby or not so?


Most one month old babies don't smile yet. That's normal. And the "blank look" is also normal. Babies at that age can't really focus on things well. That should change soon.

As for the lack of crying - well, you have a point. Its unusual. But its really too soon to tell. Some babies are just more mellow than others. Their is no therapy for babies this young. All that kid really needs is for her parents to take care of her basic needs and to be given time. If her parents are very responsive to her signals that she needs something, she might not have a lot of reason to cry yet.

One social skills tip - Do NOT say any thing to the parents or the immediate family of the parents. They will get all angry and weird about it. Its just one of those human instinct things. At this age, any criticism is met like you are trying to eat the baby. So, just keep your suspicions to yourself and watch the kid grow. Its a fascinating process.

It's around the first birthday that it starts to become appropriate to really look at whether the child is interacting with the world typically.



Weird thing I know about is even if the parent does ask for your opinion or advice, they still get offended if you bring up any medial condition. They see it as you diagnosing their child when all you do is say your suggestion and telling them they should take their kid to the doctor or talk to their pediatrician.


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30 Aug 2016, 11:08 am

My mother once told me that both my brother and I slept peacefully through the night even as newborns. But I'd be worried about an infant that's too quiet and passive.

I'm pretty sure that like kids and adults, autistic babies are all different and do not fit the stereotype.



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30 Aug 2016, 12:03 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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Joe90 wrote:
A friend of mine has a baby who is just over a month old, but she said that the baby has not cried at all since she was born, only made a few noises (so she does have vocal chords) but not really communicated by crying at all, and she is not exaggerating either. She and her husband are happy about it and thinks she's a ''really good girl'' because she doesn't cry - not even in the night. I was just wondering if it is normal that some babies don't cry, and that it couldn't be a warning sign of something like Autism, although I don't like to say that to her. There are a lot of people in her family who have not Autism but other things like ADHD and dyspraxia, and I think my friend's older sister has a few AS traits.

Also in photos the baby always has a blank look and she hasn't learnt to smile yet, although maybe she is still too young to smile or have expressions? Can more severe cases of Autism be noticeable in a tiny baby or not so?


Most one month old babies don't smile yet. That's normal. And the "blank look" is also normal. Babies at that age can't really focus on things well. That should change soon.

As for the lack of crying - well, you have a point. Its unusual. But its really too soon to tell. Some babies are just more mellow than others. Their is no therapy for babies this young. All that kid really needs is for her parents to take care of her basic needs and to be given time. If her parents are very responsive to her signals that she needs something, she might not have a lot of reason to cry yet.

One social skills tip - Do NOT say any thing to the parents or the immediate family of the parents. They will get all angry and weird about it. Its just one of those human instinct things. At this age, any criticism is met like you are trying to eat the baby. So, just keep your suspicions to yourself and watch the kid grow. Its a fascinating process.

It's around the first birthday that it starts to become appropriate to really look at whether the child is interacting with the world typically.



Weird thing I know about is even if the parent does ask for your opinion or advice, they still get offended if you bring up any medial condition. They see it as you diagnosing their child when all you do is say your suggestion and telling them they should take their kid to the doctor or talk to their pediatrician.


I know! its so strange! Why would you ask if you don't want a real answer! My mother does this with her sermons. My whole life, she would ask what I thought and I would give her a real answer. It was just a few years ago that I finally realized she didn't want to know what I thought. She wanted my affirmation. They get offended because its obvious, to them, that this question is digging for reassurance or praise, not asking for information.

*edited to add: The same goes for reading other people's fiction writting or papers. All they want to hear is that its great. Also, fights with their girlfriends/boyfriends. Again, its just about telling them the are right, not about speaking the truth. Drives me up a wall.



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30 Aug 2016, 12:26 pm

Parents want reassurance that their kid is "normal." They don't want a "abnormal" child. This is something I have to remember when they ask if this is normal and if there is anything wrong with their kid. But sometimes I forget because I get stuck on the question they are asking so I think they want an honest answer. I got downvoted as hell on Reddit when I told a parent she should take her 3 year old to the pediatrician because it could be ODD. I was dumbfounded when everyone thought it was normal three year old behavior when in fact the mom had called her kid a monster to random strangers online and saying how nothing works and how the kid reacts to discipline. Really? If this was all normal, why even call her kid a monster you know and say how aggressive the kid gets when they don't get their way and having bad tantrums when they are punished. Also go to the doctor or to a therapist if you don't know what to do with your child. But no I guess the parent wanted reassurance so I got downvoted for not reassuring her. I don't remember my brothers acting that way at that age. Yes we cried but that was it. We never resorted to aggression. I did though but only when I was mad and upset because it was how I expressed my emotions even though I knew how to cry.


But sometimes parents really do want to know what is wrong with their child, they don't want to be told this is all normal when they know it's not. They want advice, want to be told what could be going on with their child, not have it be trivialized. I am sure parents of special needs kids face this a lot. Especially if the parent knows their kid has something.


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30 Aug 2016, 1:32 pm

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Parents want reassurance that their kid is "normal." They don't want a "abnormal" child. This is something I have to remember when they ask if this is normal and if there is anything wrong with their kid. But sometimes I forget because I get stuck on the question they are asking so I think they want an honest answer. I got downvoted as hell on Reddit when I told a parent she should take her 3 year old to the pediatrician because it could be ODD. I was dumbfounded when everyone thought it was normal three year old behavior when in fact the mom had called her kid a monster to random strangers online and saying how nothing works and how the kid reacts to discipline. Really? If this was all normal, why even call her kid a monster you know and say how aggressive the kid gets when they don't get their way and having bad tantrums when they are punished. Also go to the doctor or to a therapist if you don't know what to do with your child. But no I guess the parent wanted reassurance so I got downvoted for not reassuring her. I don't remember my brothers acting that way at that age. Yes we cried but that was it. We never resorted to aggression. I did though but only when I was mad and upset because it was how I expressed my emotions even though I knew how to cry.


But sometimes parents really do want to know what is wrong with their child, they don't want to be told this is all normal when they know it's not. They want advice, want to be told what could be going on with their child, not have it be trivialized. I am sure parents of special needs kids face this a lot. Especially if the parent knows their kid has something.


It is normal for a three year old to be a terror. Its what they do. Parents regularly get pushed to the breaking point when their little love starts acting like a little monster. Your parents were lucky to have 3 year olds who skipped that phase. But that's not the point of your post, is it?

I agree. If you follow social convention, and only say that everything is great when it clearly isn't, you can sometimes falsely lure parents into thinking everything is OK, when really, the whole world is wondering why they haven't gotten their kid evaluated yet.



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30 Aug 2016, 4:26 pm

I guess my son got lucky too and he did have some problems but he went through evaluation and put in early intervention. I would also be dumbfounded if anyone tried to tell me what my kid did was normal because I would then ask "Then why aren't all three year olds on an IEP?" "Why did other three year olds act better than my child at that age?" But of course he didn't act the way the parent described her three year old in a post. Hers sounded a lot worse. Plus I knew another parent who had problems with her own three year old and he didn't respond to any consequences or punishments and he was diagnosed with ODD. But yet when she posted on Facebook about her son asking for advice and saying she has tried this and that and everything, her friends started to suggest things like maybe he has SPD so he is a sensory seeker. Other people suggested getting a doctor or a family therapist. I think in that case the mother really did want answers and was open to any suggestions including disorders because she didn't take offense. That was before her kid was diagnosed with anything. I remember she had like social workers involved. I would wonder how many parents have social workers involved with a normal three year old if this was all normal. But some people just don't want to hear it. They also don't want to hear about needing to take their kid to a doctor to talk to the pediatrician about their kid's behavior if it's really that bad. Instead they just want reassurance but to me it can be damaging because then the problem gets ignored and the kid doesn't get help sooner. If the parent mentioned she also had called social services for help, I probably would have been even more dumbfounded if other parents still called it normal behavior for a three year old.

Sometimes it's not ODD and it could be the environment like change in jobs or school or new sibling or moving to a new house, is the parent consistent with their rules, does the parent set limits. But the parent said there has been no change in the environment if I remember correctly. That is what doctors also look for before making a diagnoses.

It seems to be okay to mention if a kid could have a disorder when a parent asks for an opinion and asking if this is normal and then not okay to mention it even if they are asking but my question is just when does it become okay?


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