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29 Sep 2016, 10:46 am

I see so many threads on here with titles such as "NT's.... this" and "Aspies.... that." What is it with this tendency to make sweeping generalisations? People are individuals, whether they are autistic or nautistic, there isn't any one size fits all for Aspies, Autistics or so-called NTs.


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29 Sep 2016, 10:50 am

I agree. A lot of times it seems it's an "Us vs. Them". I call it "groupism".


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29 Sep 2016, 10:54 am

Jute wrote:
I see so many threads on here with titles such as "NT's.... this" and "Aspies.... that." What is it with this tendency to make sweeping generalisations? People are individuals, whether they are autistic or nautistic, there isn't any one size fits all for Aspies, Autistics or so-called NTs.


For me it is all about finding out if I have ASD, so I am interested in how people with ASD compare to me. It may not be an accurate dagnostic tool but it's the only tool I have until I get tested ( at least 15 months away ).


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29 Sep 2016, 10:55 am

Generalisation is the bane that mankind clings to.

Saves the mindf**k of individually administering each variation of a human.

The "us vs. them" scenario is merely a competitive way of separating identity.

As annoying as it is to anyone that appreciates the level of individuality of Homo Sapien, it is the only way we can clarify our senses.



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29 Sep 2016, 11:05 am

It's segregation, the way I see it. It's really no different than setting someone apart for race or gender.

To put it out there as part of the subject, I'll say that I know what it feels like to be bullied because of my neurology. I have read multiple threads about how Aspies have been bullied by NT's and from experience, it's not very much different when the tables are turned. People are all individuals and whatever way they act is how they decide to act. I do find that people all just want to find a place to belong and be a part of a group that accepts them no matter what their race, gender or neurology is.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:10 am

*shrug*

everyone makes generalizations, and most people think in we/them terms. In addition to being a natural way for people to think, it creates a stronger bond within the group you identify with.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:14 am

Skilpadde wrote:
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everyone makes generalizations, and most people think in we/them terms. In addition to being a natural way for people to think, it creates a stronger bond within the group you identify with.


Yep, that was a generalisation. Everyone doesn't make generalistaions, some might but not everyone.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:30 am

Agreed.



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29 Sep 2016, 11:32 am

After entering the autism community at 17 years of age, I have learned important lessons over the years like people on the spectrum can give me the same treatment non ASD kids and adults had given me, I have also been bullied by some for my traits, I have been harassed, misunderstood. I have seen closed minded ASD people and judgmental ones and I have learned they are just like anyone else and my mom's description of AS was inaccurate. So now the us vs them is totally stupid. I now like to say human behavior or people to refer to all individuals of any disorder or non disorder. It doesn't mean everyone does it of course.

Plus when I used to go to Babycenter, I would see similar topics there I have seen here so another thing I have learned there is not everything posted here is ASD related. Some of it might just be normal human feelings.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:36 am

When I see threads like that I usually think it's for reasons like SaveFerris was talking about. Unless the title states something hostile or crappy or whatever about NT's or Aspies, I assume it's just someone trying to figure out if it's an autie thing or a just them thing. This place has new to diagnosis folks showing up and trying to figure things out. Pretty sure I did that way back when. Also, for a lot of people it's the first time and place they ever find one person who can relate, much less a large amount of people who share similar life experiences. I've seen this kinda thing go on for years here and nine times out of ten it is newish person who's current interest is autism and they're just going all out with it. From what I have noticed anyway. I could be way off base though. I'm not the most observant person on the planet. If the title says something mean about NT's, I just assume the person has been burned one too many times and feels this is a good place to lash out. Not saying that's okay... just what I think when I see that sort of thing.

I know sometimes for myself, I do wonder if something I have going on is an autism thing or something else. I have comorbids, so sometimes I like to bounce things off of others to see if they can relate because it can be helpful figuring out what I have going on, which helps me know better what coping techniques would be most beneficial. I might be inclined to have an autie specific thread in cases like that to try to help me figure what my stuff may or may not be because I struggle to understand what I have going on a lot of the time.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:57 am

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When I see threads like that I usually think it's for reasons like SaveFerris was talking about. Unless the title states something hostile or crappy or whatever about NT's or Aspies, I assume it's just someone trying to figure out if it's an autie thing or a just them thing. This place has new to diagnosis folks showing up and trying to figure things out. Pretty sure I did that way back when. Also, for a lot of people it's the first time and place they ever find one person who can relate, much less a large amount of people who share similar life experiences. I've seen this kinda thing go on for years here and nine times out of ten it is newish person who's current interest is autism and they're just going all out with it. From what I have noticed anyway. I could be way off base though. I'm not the most observant person on the planet. If the title says something mean about NT's, I just assume the person has been burned one too many times and feels this is a good place to lash out. Not saying that's okay... just what I think when I see that sort of thing.

I know sometimes for myself, I do wonder if something I have going on is an autism thing or something else. I have comorbids, so sometimes I like to bounce things off of others to see if they can relate because it can be helpful figuring out what I have going on, which helps me know better what coping techniques would be most beneficial. I might be inclined to have an autie specific thread in cases like that to try to help me figure what my stuff may or may not be because I struggle to understand what I have going on a lot of the time.



I remember seeing all those "is this an aspie thing?" threads, I figured they were just trying to see what part of them is just their personality and what part is the disorder. I remember a member here noticed contradictions about it so she said one day someone might post a thread asking if talking a lot is an aspie thing. So as a joke I started the thread saying how much I have talked in my car to my ex and to my husband making my throat sore and someone took it the wrong way because they thought I was making fun when I only intended it as a joke for humor. They had missed the other thread and the post to understand. Even trying to explain it didn't work so there is another thing about us that makes us human. But then again I have read that difficulty understanding humor and jokes is an ASD thing. But there are still people out there with it who like humor and don't get upset with it so it's not like I can't come on here and not do a joke. Plus I have seen plenty of people on the spectrum having a sense of humor.

Also I have been trying to figure out too what part is just anxiety or OCD since I have been given those diagnoses. So I have been lurking on the anxiety and OCD forum on another website to compare and see how it fits and I have even asked some questions about myself on the anxiety forum and got nothing so it makes me think my anxiety is unusual and I am betting if I had posted it at Asperger's, I would have gotten more responses and people saying they have this problem too.


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29 Sep 2016, 1:50 pm

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dossa wrote:
When I see threads like that I usually think it's for reasons like SaveFerris was talking about. Unless the title states something hostile or crappy or whatever about NT's or Aspies, I assume it's just someone trying to figure out if it's an autie thing or a just them thing. This place has new to diagnosis folks showing up and trying to figure things out. Pretty sure I did that way back when. Also, for a lot of people it's the first time and place they ever find one person who can relate, much less a large amount of people who share similar life experiences. I've seen this kinda thing go on for years here and nine times out of ten it is newish person who's current interest is autism and they're just going all out with it. From what I have noticed anyway. I could be way off base though. I'm not the most observant person on the planet. If the title says something mean about NT's, I just assume the person has been burned one too many times and feels this is a good place to lash out. Not saying that's okay... just what I think when I see that sort of thing.

I know sometimes for myself, I do wonder if something I have going on is an autism thing or something else. I have comorbids, so sometimes I like to bounce things off of others to see if they can relate because it can be helpful figuring out what I have going on, which helps me know better what coping techniques would be most beneficial. I might be inclined to have an autie specific thread in cases like that to try to help me figure what my stuff may or may not be because I struggle to understand what I have going on a lot of the time.



I remember seeing all those "is this an aspie thing?" threads, I figured they were just trying to see what part of them is just their personality and what part is the disorder. I remember a member here noticed contradictions about it so she said one day someone might post a thread asking if talking a lot is an aspie thing. So as a joke I started the thread saying how much I have talked in my car to my ex and to my husband making my throat sore and someone took it the wrong way because they thought I was making fun when I only intended it as a joke for humor. They had missed the other thread and the post to understand. Even trying to explain it didn't work so there is another thing about us that makes us human. But then again I have read that difficulty understanding humor and jokes is an ASD thing. But there are still people out there with it who like humor and don't get upset with it so it's not like I can't come on here and not do a joke. Plus I have seen plenty of people on the spectrum having a sense of humor.

Also I have been trying to figure out too what part is just anxiety or OCD since I have been given those diagnoses. So I have been lurking on the anxiety and OCD forum on another website to compare and see how it fits and I have even asked some questions about myself on the anxiety forum and got nothing so it makes me think my anxiety is unusual and I am betting if I had posted it at Asperger's, I would have gotten more responses and people saying they have this problem too.


Yep. Those 'is it an aspie thing' flood this place now and then. It was a big thing some years ago, wasn't it. I don't remember that joke thread you started, but I never can stick around here for any consistent amount of time. I probably just missed it, but it does sound funny to me. Personally, I appreciate a joke o two here and there. Though I should have a bone to pick with you about fooling me on more than one occasion with april fools day stuff. :lol: that I do recall. That stuff cracked me up.

I forgot to think about the comedy/lighthearted threads about this kind of thing. I think the ones in random about name a nt this or name an aspie that are meant for anything other than a chuckle or somewhat social/fun way to kill some time to.. they fall into that group as well, yeah?


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29 Sep 2016, 10:57 pm

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I agree. A lot of times it seems it's an "Us vs. Them". I call it "groupism".

It's segregation, the way I see it. It's really no different than setting someone apart for race or gender.

To put it out there as part of the subject, I'll say that I know what it feels like to be bullied because of my neurology. I have read multiple threads about how Aspies have been bullied by NT's and from experience, it's not very much different when the tables are turned. People are all individuals.

You're a wise woman Angela. :) But this group think only applies to people who value group identity, or form bonds. I was of the impression that generally this is lessened in autistics.
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When I see threads like that I usually think it's for reasons like SaveFerris was talking about. Unless the title states something hostile or crappy or whatever about NT's or Aspies, I assume it's just someone trying to figure out if it's an autie thing or a just them thing. This place has new to diagnosis folks showing up and trying to figure things out. Pretty sure I did that way back when. Also, for a lot of people it's the first time and place they ever find one person who can relate, much less a large amount of people who share similar life experiences

Agreed. I think the basis of the distinction is commonly not to create any kind of "groups" or deride one group or another, the distinction is based on one person's attempts to differentiate what is part of their autism and what isn't. Just someone trying to understand their own experiences and themselves better, and looking for feedback from others who may relate.


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29 Sep 2016, 11:25 pm

My favorite quote: "All generalizations suck."


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30 Sep 2016, 12:17 am

What about some mopping generalizations for a change?


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01 Oct 2016, 6:09 pm

I like generalisations. I like exceptions even more.