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21 Mar 2017, 2:05 am

So I just want everyone to put down something they know about bad and good people, for all our benefits, and so with our combined knowledge we can "read", or figure people out before they can con us. I identify someone who is bad as one who causes harm to others purposefully and one who is good as a person who is genuine, transparent, and openly (or not so openly) cares for others, as a few examples. Additionally, you should create your own definitions of what good and bad people are and post those as well, so we have a more clear understanding.

So one tool bad people use is flattery. Often when someone with alternative goals comes up to me and wants to take advantage of me, they enter me through use of excessive compliments and then drop my guard down with a sudden burst of aggression and insults, reinforcing their stature over me.

What I've noticed in a good person is, like above, transparency. They don't come after me and they sit back, letting us exchange interaction mutually, not dominating me psychologically and physically. I know what they want and they know what I want and it goes two ways, and there is an emotional connection and a feeling of safety and positivity.



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21 Mar 2017, 2:48 am

My distinction of 'bad' (usually to designate an action as 'bad', as I accept that nobody is wholly 'good' or wholly 'bad') is derived from committing a damaging act given three characteristics:
1. Intention to cause damage to others
2. Full prior knowledge of the probable nature of the damage and extent thereof that the action/choice will cause to others
3. Availability of viable additional options which would minimise the damage or allow the damage to be averted

If a person routinely commits such acts, they could be seen as a generally destructive, dangerous, and 'bad' person.


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21 Mar 2017, 9:33 pm

A book claimed that a man married two women at the same time, for several years, and neither one suspected anything. Until the dry cleaning got mixed up. And one of the women was a clinical psychologist. So, if someone with so much skill, for such a long time, with so much intensity of interaction, as in this example, did not suspect anything, then it must be much easier for someone to trick me.

Some of the most homophobic precious little "people" that I have ever interacted with, match your definition of "good people". Yes, all things equal, it is better to be "genuine, transparent, and openly (or not so openly) cares for others."
(fine). But sometimes, for someone on the autism spectrum, such as myself, it is easy to get misled by neurotypicals.

Likewise, it is a bit simplistic to label everyone as "good" or "bad". Everyone has good and bad qualities at different times. Even one quality could get labelled as "good" by some and "bad" by others.

Granted, for practical purposes, it serves a function to distinguish whom to voluntarily interact with, on a social basis. (fine). And there are some dealbreakers and red flags for "bad" people. (fine).

But, now that I am 34 years old, with clinical depression, Gender Identity Disorder, six out of 10 personality disorders diagnosed, I feel like it is much better to fail to interact with someone you should have interacted with, than to interact with someone you should not have interacted with.

As usual, I have no easy or hard solution. Only tangents, regrets, hatred, anger, and preoccupations.

Moreover, as an Aspie, it is easy to imagine, how NTs might easily misinterpret my nonverbal communication, as being more of a "bad" person than I am.

When I was young, my precious little "parents" put a lot of pressure on me to be academically smart. And, I had little or no contact with anyone that met their definition of smart. So, I confused being "smart" with being academically good. However, plenty of academically smart people have gotten convicted of felonies. For example, the Unabomer was the youngest math professor at UC Berkeley. Ted Bundy allegedly had a high IQ score.

The question is, who is a "good" enough person, to trust, for a specific purpose.

Some of my former precious little "friends" (for a long time, I have had none), have had a bunch of traits easily associated with "bad people". For example, they gossiped. They accused me of planning to assassinate them. They were biased in favor of their boyfriend and believed whatever he told them. They broke the law.

But nobody is perfect.

Quite frankly, I get the impression that way too many precious little "people" had Doctor Spock parents, that treated them like Special Snowflakes. Their parents treated them like they were awesome, smart, cute, perfect, and (rolls eyes). And there are plenty of people just like them, in that they are superficial, materialistic, homophobic, egocentric, cisgender, and neurotypical.

Thus, in my worthless opinion, those precious little "people" assume that they are perfect and everyone different from them is not just morally inferior, "bad people", but not even "people" altogether. Everyone different from them has no rights or emotions.



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22 Mar 2017, 2:58 am

Your opinion actually means quite a lot to me, as it highlights several logical fallacies I had in my previous question. I'll clarify some things for this purpose.

I don't know what is morally sound, or what is right. I only identify people based on how they interact with me, and I make the frequent mistake of assuming that there is a right and wrong way, and there is no "spectrum" of goodness for anyone to follow, so that's easily my mistake.

I understand what you're saying anotherwords, and i'm not sure how to conterract this. I feel like it still is possible, to have a society of pacified individuals who value self preservation and contribution to a greater populace, rather than damaging those of us in it.

On a daily basis I receive multitudes of negative comments, feedback, criticisms. I don't think I'm special or superior or different from anyone else, and when I do think that I desperately desire not to, because I feel like that contradicts what my purpose is. However, I feel such a powerful emotional backlash for reasons I'm unaware that it gets easy to group people based on a specific set of traits and a summary of their personality.

And conclusively, I just want to know these traits, but not the good or bad people themselves. As an example: we know manipulation to be a bad trait, so how do we spot that, and has anyone figured this out, being individuals with AS. An example of a good trait could be neutrality. This individual does not dominate and control another, they do not limit the other for useless or hidden motives, but rather allow there to be an equal atmosphere of respect from either party in interpersonal communication. Again, just traits, not boxes. Everyone has good and bad traits, but we can identify and combat the good and bad through various ways, rather than label people as I previously failed to make clear because of my own emotional backlash to this topic, which I've attempted to limit because it works against me and my point rather than enforces it.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:55 am

I am a white, straight, male. I am used to being labelled. No, my life is not perfect like some neoliberals want you to believe. Most people in my area are a bunch of snowflakes. They couldn't even hold their own in a fight. I've been working on doing the same for myself, but that's beside the point. Bad people, is there really such a thing? Doesn't everyone have goodness? I'll keep it simple, most people do.

As for the people who aren't in the majority, some can't feel empathy for others. Some people do not care about making the world - or even the lives of the people close to them better. We're all bad in a way, but some just show it much more than others. You know what's funny? All these people chanting "love, not hate" when they're hateful themselves. How can love exist without hate? It's like light existing without darkness, it just can't be.


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22 Mar 2017, 9:02 am

Traits of a bad person include lying, cheating and cruelty to animals and other people.



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22 Mar 2017, 9:33 am

This link provides a pretty good list for identifying traits of bad people, manipulator and sociopaths.

http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2011 ... n.html?m=1

Also "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout is a good read.



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22 Mar 2017, 10:23 am

• Definitely don't bother with anyone who picks out flaws in you all the time to put you down.

• Stay away from people who borrow money off you and don't pay you back.

• If you suspect someone trying to use your weaknesses against you, run a mile.

• Stay away from selfish self-centered people. They only literally care about themselves, you're just a pawn in their game.

• If someone acts nice on the surface to someone else and then behind their back says really nasty stuff about that person, don't bother with them. They probably do the same to you.

• If someone keeps saying they'll do something but never end up actually doing it, don't put too much hope/trust in that person.

• Definitely don't bother with people who constantly want to argue with you. If they are negative and draining all the time, don't put up with it, just find someone better.

• Don't sit in a toxic family environment, get out. Abandon your family if it's that bad, you don't have to be stuck to a toxic family if you don't want to. They brought you into the world but it doesn't mean it's your responsibility to put up with their abusive s**t. Get a surrogate family of friends instead. Plenty of people disown their toxic families these days because it's simply not worth it.

• Don't tell someone your whole life story or deepest darkest secrets if they tell you the secrets of other people. Generally just don't bother with gossiping dickheads, they're more hassle than it's worth and you CANNOT trust them.

• If someone is making themselves out to be a victim all the time, this is called a victim mentality and they want your sympathy and attention all the time and that's not a healthy friendship so you should probably drop that person cause they're likely just self centered and can't get past their victim mentality.

• Being a victim is not cool nor does it make you superior to anyone to garner their sympathy to make them do things for you cause they feel sorry for you. Victim mentality people are usually very weak minded and make up all kinds of crazy batshit stories that aren't true to further their sympathy/attention addiction. (Old people usually do this "Oh I'm so old give me attention and do things for me!" while there's like 70 y/o bodybuilders... -_-) It's pretty manipulative behaviour.

• Liars. Flat out don't bother, anything they talk about could be a lie. What's the point? You're just being led into their silly fantasy world of things that they pretended happened but didn't happen cause they're a f*****g liar. Liars are like super toxic people cause they get a thrill from people believing their garbage, even more so if they get someone into trouble.

• Don't let it bother you if someone flat out ignores you when you try to talk to them, they likely have some god complex personality disorder so it's probably a good thing they ignored you so you don't have to put up with their higher than mighty BS.

• Closed minded people. Just.. honestly don't bother, they really are more hassle than it's worth and most of the time they're set in their silly ways so you can't change their opinions on stuff. It's better to just abandon them if it's really bad. They're usually a bit self centered if they can't respect another persons opinion on stuff, like this is how arguments start and it's not worth it, if you both have different opinions neither one of you is going to change so why bother? Pointless negativity you don't need.

• Do not ever put up with someone spying on your personal s**t. That person is paranoid and it's a huge sign of them being toxic in a lot of other ways.

• The animal abusers, yeah.. just stay away, some deep psychological problems there.

• People who rage easily, don't bother with these people because their rage could easily turn on you. I am an angry person myself but I would never rage at someone who didn't deserve it. Emotions can be controlled, if you can't control them then that means you're an unstable person.

• Special snowflakes. NOPE. Just don't bother. People who think they are special usually fall into the god complex category and think they're better than everyone and the world owes them something for nothing. This is usually taught at a young age by bad parenting. Those parents who pretty much just spoil their child rotten.

That's about all I can be bothered to write, there's tons more but I'd be here all day.


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