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11 Mar 2018, 3:44 am

I really want to know?



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11 Mar 2018, 4:03 am

nordic countries?

that would be my guess.


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11 Mar 2018, 4:05 am

I actually think we'd be best in a more primitive society where we live in small villages and have to deal with a lot fewer people in life.



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11 Mar 2018, 9:23 am

This probably belongs in the "Unpopular Opinions" thread, but I really don't think there is a perfect place for autistic people. I can imagine any number of absolutely horrendous places, mostly in the third world, that kill their disabled children outright. Even "friendly" countries with highly developed social systems have eugenics laws in place for anyone who doesn't fit the system.

When I read about all of the horrible things that happen to autistic people around the world, I'm glad I live where I do. I wouldn't want to be killed outright, but neither would I want too much done for me. Either way, it's a bad situation.



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11 Mar 2018, 10:26 am

I guess the answer may depend on a given autistic person's list of challenges. It's not so bad to be HFA here in Poland, with all the conservatism of this country comes also our traditional tolerance. Don't be mistaken, the said tolerance is something like: you wrong, heretic sinner, you will go straight to hell but it's neither mine nor the state's business to punish you. It's not friendliness but I still prefer it over hypocrisy of some other societes.
Moreover, you are not pressed for eye contact and being introverted is considered a natural variation of normality.

But with more severe symptoms it would be pain here, our psychiatry is still in Middle Ages and disabled services are... well, at least they are improving – from something close to zero. Special schools are... better to be avoided.
Also, allowances for the disabled are often denied and understanding of autism is extremely poor.

So I would recommend Poland only to job-capable HFA.


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11 Mar 2018, 11:14 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
nordic countries?

that would be my guess.


Nordic countries - well I know about Sweden they do a lot of fairly oddball positive discrimination. Kids with autism / ADHD and their companions skip lines at fairgrounds and the like. There is probably also fairly good one on one support in schools. However, there is a very strong social drive to conform and a general sense that they are very good at getting it right and being so extremely progressive in terms of societal welfare and equality which can be fairly patronising and lead to lots of social discrimination. I haven't seen this so much with autism but I see it all the time with religious Minorities and immigrants.


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11 Mar 2018, 11:42 am

Daniel89 wrote:
I actually think we'd be best in a more primitive society where we live in small villages and have to deal with a lot fewer people in life.


There is no way I would want to live in a primitive village because I already spent half my life practically living in one.

When you live in a rural area (and where I live every area is rural) you can't go anywhere without a car, not even to a store to buy groceries. If you don't or have trouble driving because of autism, this really blows.

If a life-threatening emergency happens it will take much longer for the police, ambulance, or firefighters to arrive. In the "city" I live in now you're lucky if they only take a few minutes, but where my parents live it could take hours. :(

And mainly, it is BORING. :x



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11 Mar 2018, 11:52 am

The US!! !! Best country in the world!! !!


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11 Mar 2018, 3:33 pm

Well Canada isnt so bad when you have autism. Im on disability and have enough money to live comfortably. Im not sure what other services they have here...



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11 Mar 2018, 7:45 pm

A culture that has a semblance of autistic empathy. I don't know where or which specifically, but that's the main ingredient for a culture good for autistics in general.

And a culture with good autistic empathy attracts support and acceptance regardless the level of knowledge or understanding. It itself drives for knowledge and understanding though.
It mattered a little how social (introvert/extrovert), how technologically advanced, or how punctual, or the size of the culture's population is as long as it doesn't all root from the NT theory of mind -- which is why no country or culture is perfect for autistic people.

Unless said culture and ways, that rooted from the NT theory of mind and expectations matches your personal preferences and aspirations.
Otherwise it's just playing roles and exerting willpower, or be excluded or an exemption because you don't 'fit' from the society's expectations.


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11 Mar 2018, 9:44 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I actually think we'd be best in a more primitive society where we live in small villages and have to deal with a lot fewer people in life.


There is no way I would want to live in a primitive village because I already spent half my life practically living in one.

When you live in a rural area (and where I live every area is rural) you can't go anywhere without a car, not even to a store to buy groceries. If you don't or have trouble driving because of autism, this really blows.

If a life-threatening emergency happens it will take much longer for the police, ambulance, or firefighters to arrive. In the "city" I live in now you're lucky if they only take a few minutes, but where my parents live it could take hours. :(

And mainly, it is BORING. :x


I was really thinking of a village in a country like Bhutan.



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12 Mar 2018, 4:12 pm

Canada's a pretty good country. After my rent comes of my cheque, I still have enough money to get me through.


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12 Mar 2018, 8:17 pm

magz wrote:
I guess the answer may depend on a given autistic person's list of challenges. It's not so bad to be HFA here in Poland, with all the conservatism of this country comes also our traditional tolerance. Don't be mistaken, the said tolerance is something like: you wrong, heretic sinner, you will go straight to hell but it's neither mine nor the state's business to punish you. It's not friendliness but I still prefer it over hypocrisy of some other societes.
Moreover, you are not pressed for eye contact and being introverted is considered a natural variation of normality.

But with more severe symptoms it would be pain here, our psychiatry is still in Middle Ages and disabled services are... well, at least they are improving – from something close to zero. Special schools are... better to be avoided.
Also, allowances for the disabled are often denied and understanding of autism is extremely poor.

So I would recommend Poland only to job-capable HFA.


Disabled services and psychiatry in the middle ages because Poland is in the middle ages. The Catholic religion IS medieval.



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13 Mar 2018, 3:46 am

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Disabled services and psychiatry in the middle ages because Poland is in the middle ages. The Catholic religion IS medieval.

I am agnostic myself and I invite you to see the "medieval" Poland by yourself. Book a ticket, come and see.


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13 Mar 2018, 3:59 am

magz wrote:
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Disabled services and psychiatry in the middle ages because Poland is in the middle ages. The Catholic religion IS medieval.

I am agnostic myself and I invite you to see the "medieval" Poland by yourself. Book a ticket, come and see.


I spent one of my best weeks ever in Poland. In Szczecin, I loved it so much!


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13 Mar 2018, 5:35 am

Any non-third-world country BUT Germany.
Asperger's syndrome doesn't exist in Germany. The docs just believe no one gets it over here.Proof
You wont find a single psychiatrist who knows anything about Asperger's
The is no help for Aspies (because there is no such thing as Aspies.)
There are virtually no self help groups (because there are no Aspies, and if there are, they are mostly diagnosed with schizophrenia / personality disorders / other psychopathy etc.)
There are very very few diagnostic services for adults, and if you wish to go to them, you have to wait up to 1 year. And at the end they diagnose you with something else (like schizophrenia or schizoid personality disorder or other stuff)
Basically, they do their very best to diagnose NO ONE with asperger's, even if it's clear as the day.


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