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15 Jun 2018, 10:14 am

The Nib posted an article by Elise Schuenke back on April 6, 2018 that I found it interesting because it succinctly describes why...

Autism Isn't To Blame For Bad Behavior

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15 Jun 2018, 10:21 am

I find the behavior of some men who post on this site to be truly worrisome, because of how distorted their views of the female gender can be. I do worry that they may go on to act out their fantasies of entitlement. These are the ones who CANNOT be reasoned with by suggesting more reality testing, or by providing contradicting observations. I do think perseverative thought and lack of social reality testing, which can be autistic symptoms, may underlie their behavior, but I certainly don't think autism is to blame. So many other autistic members show none of that content.


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15 Jun 2018, 12:14 pm

Autism can influence how bad behavoir is presented and the thought process behind it. That same is true for accomplishments.

That autism is bieng increasingly used as an excuse by defense lawyers and individuals is worrisome. Those of us that went into middle age undiagnosed were often told you are just making excuses. Now ironically people have an excuse to judge us as being a lazy excuse making bums.

I am not saying that in some cases their autism was such that they are truly unable to tell right from wrong or unintentionally act bad. When I attended support groups autistic men unintentionally creeping out women and getting into trouble for it was one the most discussed topics. This was before #MeToo.


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15 Jun 2018, 1:53 pm

Terrific link. I greatly admire the ability to transform the complexity of an issue to easily accessible pictorial representation, and the example is a wonderful representation of that. In tune with the comments too.



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15 Jun 2018, 4:56 pm

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I read that Guardian article when it was published. I don't think the point was that Damore couldn't understand that women are people because he is autistic.

Google published a policy and invited comments. The regular NT knows that request isn't serious. Google was not requesting that employees publish an open criticism of their policy. An employee on the spectrum took their invitation at face value and responded.

If Damore wasn't autistic we would never have heard of him or his essay because he wouldn't have published it on the staff group chat. If he was NT he would have known to keep his views to himself.



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15 Jun 2018, 8:27 pm

BeaArthur wrote:
I find the behavior of some men who post on this site to be truly worrisome, because of how distorted their views of the female gender can be. I do worry that they may go on to act out their fantasies of entitlement. These are the ones who CANNOT be reasoned with by suggesting more reality testing, or by providing contradicting observations. I do think perseverative thought and lack of social reality testing, which can be autistic symptoms, may underlie their behavior, but I certainly don't think autism is to blame. So many other autistic members show none of that content.


I don't really think the views of certain men on here have to do with females as a gender themselves. But these men merely feel frustrated by women. Do you think we shouldn't have reached out to the new LGBT movement that started ~50 years ago? Because they too were most certainly "frustrated" or angry about wanting change in society.



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16 Jun 2018, 1:05 am

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
BeaArthur wrote:
I find the behavior of some men who post on this site to be truly worrisome, because of how distorted their views of the female gender can be. I do worry that they may go on to act out their fantasies of entitlement. These are the ones who CANNOT be reasoned with by suggesting more reality testing, or by providing contradicting observations. I do think perseverative thought and lack of social reality testing, which can be autistic symptoms, may underlie their behavior, but I certainly don't think autism is to blame. So many other autistic members show none of that content.


I don't really think the views of certain men on here have to do with females as a gender themselves. But these men merely feel frustrated by women. Do you think we shouldn't have reached out to the new LGBT movement that started ~50 years ago? Because they too were most certainly "frustrated" or angry about wanting change in society.



I think comparing the guys who blame 'feminism' or women being unreasonable for the reason they can't get a girlfriend to the LGBT is a bit of a stretch...

It's just a cop out to blame others because being self reflective can hurt at times. There are plenty of people who have autism that get a girlfriend, same goes for people who are unattractive or who have a rubbish job. So saying that 'I have these things therefore because feminism I'll never get a girlfriend' is nonsense. Treating women like their human beings with their own personalities, likes and dislikes is much more likely to get you somewhere than moaning about how a few college feminists are saying some things that are ridiculous.



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16 Jun 2018, 2:34 pm

NorwichGeorge wrote:
... It's just a cop out to blame others because being self reflective can hurt at times.
Yeah ... it's like removing a "Band-Aid" that needs to be changed; you know you should, but it hurts too much to do it all at once, and when you finally see what' under it, it ain't at all pretty.
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There are plenty of people who have autism that get a girlfriend, same goes for people who are unattractive or who have a rubbish job.
I don't get it either. I've apparently had some kind of ASD all of my life, yet I was still able to get jobs, earn money, support myself, put myself through uni, attract women, get married, raise children, and generally be a productive member of society. True, I only learned about 7 years ago that I have ASD / PDD-NOS / PTSD / whatever, so I could not use them to blame my failures on when I was growing up; but maybe that's what it's really all about -- the the need to blame one's own failures on something they cannot control so that they feel (falsely) justified in giving up. If that's the case, then why don't those people just give up quietly and stop whining about what they cannot do?
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So saying that 'I have these things therefore because feminism I'll never get a girlfriend' is nonsense. Treating women like they're human beings with their own personalities, likes and dislikes is much more likely to get you somewhere than moaning about how a few college feminists are saying some things that are ridiculous.
Amen, brrother! Preach it! Desiring an SI bikini model who will act like a woman from a XXX video 24/7, and being surrounded by an entire world full of strictly ordinary woman who will act, speak, and think for themselves has to be one of the most disheartening and demoralizing situations for a man to be in.

Maybe if they stopped looking at Internet prons an started trying to relate to real-life women, they might have better "luck with the ladies" ... but that would require lifting up that old "Band-Aid" and changing it out for a fresh, clean replacement.

And that ain't gonna happen either, right? :wink:


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16 Jun 2018, 3:00 pm

Why is everyone talking about "SI bikini models"?

Because I know that there were many "regular" girls in schools that I thought looked like that or could, even if they weren't famous/elite or anything.



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16 Jun 2018, 3:11 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Why is everyone talking about "SI bikini models"?
Everyone isn't.
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Because I know that there were many "regular" girls in schools that I thought looked like that or could, even if they weren't famous/elite or anything.
Have you asked any for dates? If so, how did it work out? If not, why not?


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16 Jun 2018, 4:34 pm

Fnord wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Why is everyone talking about "SI bikini models"?
Everyone isn't.
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Because I know that there were many "regular" girls in schools that I thought looked like that or could, even if they weren't famous/elite or anything.
Have you asked any for dates? If so, how did it work out? If not, why not?


I never actively asked anyone out at my schools.