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30 Jun 2020, 12:18 am

Do people find their lack of eye contact is variable? I feel like i do struggle to maintain eye contact especially with strangers but with people i know its easier



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30 Jun 2020, 7:23 am

I can look into the eyes of people forever and a day.
I have had to modify my behaviour.
NTs, in particular, have a problem with someone staring, especially women.

From my perspective,
I am simply "drinking" in what I am seeing and making an assessment.
This isn't appreciated by women generally and I have had a number of women getting pissed off with me.
Stupidly I expect them to know that I don't mean any harm.
I think this is where my lack of "Theory of mind" lets me down.

I have learnt to focus on not looking at people in general.
A bit ironic when you consider I am autistic. :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2020, 7:48 am

For me it’s length of time before eyes become “creepy” that is variable.
By “creepy” I mean it feels like I’m staring into a cold dead abyss that threatens to consume my mind.

I wear sunglasses a lot of the time to prevent random people from seeing my eyes: I feel “safer” that way.

People I’ve known all/most of my life (parents, grandmother, siblings) don’t bother me so much: I don’t do eye contact beyond a fleeting skim across and away, but I don’t mind the idea of them seeing my eyes.

I do eye contact with Mrs K, but it starts to feel weird after a few divisions of a minute and I have to look away.

I did take peyote once, almost twenty years ago now, I spent an unmeasured period of time staring into people’s eyes observing all the patterns made by the flecks of colour in their irises.



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30 Jun 2020, 7:51 am

Karamazov wrote:
For me it’s length of time before eyes become “creepy” that is variable.
By “creepy” I mean it feels like I’m staring into a cold dead abyss that threatens to consume my mind.

I wear sunglasses a lot of the time to prevent random people from seeing my eyes: I feel “safer” that way.

People I’ve known all/most of my life (parents, grandmother, siblings) don’t bother me so much: I don’t do eye contact beyond a fleeting skim across and away, but I don’t mind the idea of them seeing my eyes.

I do eye contact with Mrs K, but it starts to feel weird after a few divisions of a minute and I have to look away.

I did take peyote once, almost twenty years ago now, I spent an unmeasured period of time staring into people’s eyes observing all the patterns made by the flecks of colour in their irises.


I wear sunglasses to shut people out, at times.
It is empowering. :heart: :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2020, 7:56 am

Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
For me it’s length of time before eyes become “creepy” that is variable.
By “creepy” I mean it feels like I’m staring into a cold dead abyss that threatens to consume my mind.

I wear sunglasses a lot of the time to prevent random people from seeing my eyes: I feel “safer” that way.

People I’ve known all/most of my life (parents, grandmother, siblings) don’t bother me so much: I don’t do eye contact beyond a fleeting skim across and away, but I don’t mind the idea of them seeing my eyes.

I do eye contact with Mrs K, but it starts to feel weird after a few divisions of a minute and I have to look away.

I did take peyote once, almost twenty years ago now, I spent an unmeasured period of time staring into people’s eyes observing all the patterns made by the flecks of colour in their irises.


I wear sunglasses to shut people out, at times.
It is empowering. :heart: :mrgreen:


It is indeed. 8)

I’m so much better at doing the whole “confident tradesman advising/billing customers” with them on. :D
That is... I can actually do it! :lol:



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30 Jun 2020, 8:07 am

Clc26 wrote:
Do people find their lack of eye contact is variable? I feel like i do struggle to maintain eye contact especially with strangers but with people i know its easier


It tends to be variable with me too, as is prosopragnosia which I tend to not know some of the time when I get it. (And I only know a part of this "Some of the time" if someone comes up and talks to me and tells me who they are and tells me where I know them from).


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30 Jun 2020, 3:08 pm

It's variable for me too. When I catch myself, I try to focus on something near the eyes (something behind the person, for example) that makes them think I'm looking at their eyes when I'm not.



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30 Jun 2020, 4:15 pm

Minuteman wrote:
It's variable for me too. When I catch myself, I try to focus on something near the eyes (something behind the person, for example) that makes them think I'm looking at their eyes when I'm not.

Same here, but I look to the left or the right. Usually the right side of their face, but my head is pointed towards the person.


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30 Jun 2020, 7:13 pm

Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
For me it’s length of time before eyes become “creepy” that is variable.
By “creepy” I mean it feels like I’m staring into a cold dead abyss that threatens to consume my mind.

I wear sunglasses a lot of the time to prevent random people from seeing my eyes: I feel “safer” that way.

People I’ve known all/most of my life (parents, grandmother, siblings) don’t bother me so much: I don’t do eye contact beyond a fleeting skim across and away, but I don’t mind the idea of them seeing my eyes.

I do eye contact with Mrs K, but it starts to feel weird after a few divisions of a minute and I have to look away.

I did take peyote once, almost twenty years ago now, I spent an unmeasured period of time staring into people’s eyes observing all the patterns made by the flecks of colour in their irises.


I wear sunglasses to shut people out, at times.
It is empowering. :heart: :mrgreen:


It is indeed. 8)

I’m so much better at doing the whole “confident tradesman advising/billing customers” with them on. :D
That is... I can actually do it! :lol:


The trouble is, for me,
I grew up thinking it was rude to wear sunglasses when conversing with people.
I have the same feeling about people who use a full-face veil.

When I wear sunglasses these days,
I don't give a cracker what people think.
Once again, empowering. 8)

I am not criticising you for wearing them.
It is a personal thing on my part.



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30 Jun 2020, 7:15 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Minuteman wrote:
It's variable for me too. When I catch myself, I try to focus on something near the eyes (something behind the person, for example) that makes them think I'm looking at their eyes when I'm not.

Same here, but I look to the left or the right. Usually the right side of their face, but my head is pointed towards the person.


Creepy. 8O

Well, I imagine some NTs would see it that way.
I'd just be moving around to get back into your full viewing area. :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2020, 7:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Minuteman wrote:
It's variable for me too. When I catch myself, I try to focus on something near the eyes (something behind the person, for example) that makes them think I'm looking at their eyes when I'm not.

Same here, but I look to the left or the right. Usually the right side of their face, but my head is pointed towards the person.


Creepy. 8O

Well, I imagine some NTs would see it that way.
I'd just be moving around to get back into your full viewing area. :mrgreen:



Well. You should have seen me having a conversation with the postman. I forgot that he was deaf and can only lipread. Now I don't like eye contact, so when he was trying to look at me I moved my face. When he moved his head to read my lips I moved my head the other way. It had not occurred to me that he was trying to read my lips. All I had was the thought "Why does this man move back and fore like he is doing?" It just did not occur to me!


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30 Jun 2020, 7:59 pm

Making eye contact causes me discomfort some reason that I'm not really sure of, so I don't do it with other adults unless they're some sort of authority over me. I can make proper eye contact with people I'm romantically close to though, and also with small children and animals.

Here's a funny, somewhat related thing. I didn't learn that you're not supposed to just stare at people in the eyes until recently, and that you're supposed to glance away from them occasionally when making eye contact. Whenever eye contact was explained to me that was never clarified, and people would just tell me to "look at/stare them in the eyes". Oops...



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30 Jun 2020, 8:10 pm

I've learned to maintain brief eye contact with people generally speaking. I used to have an issue staring and glaring into people's eyes for uncomfortable(for them) lengths of time.



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30 Jun 2020, 8:26 pm

Weird. I haven't thought about this in a while now. That issue definitely faded away, together with the social anxiety.. It makes me suspecting that it's more related to the social anxiety.

Anyway.. So yes, it is variable.
Some people stare more cause they're trying to read me and that's uncomfortable. (At that point, the sunglasses are a great solution).
I usually don't look people in the eyes when I'm explaining something. I don't care if it's socially accepted or not. It is the way it is.
If I just have to give a performance à la NT, there's no problem keeping up the eye-contact. If it turns out being a longer conversation, it gets more tiring and less important for me or the social norms.
The longer/better I know someone, the easier it gets.



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01 Jul 2020, 12:16 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Minuteman wrote:
It's variable for me too. When I catch myself, I try to focus on something near the eyes (something behind the person, for example) that makes them think I'm looking at their eyes when I'm not.

Same here, but I look to the left or the right. Usually the right side of their face, but my head is pointed towards the person.


Creepy. 8O

Well, I imagine some NTs would see it that way.
I'd just be moving around to get back into your full viewing area. :mrgreen:



Well. You should have seen me having a conversation with the postman. I forgot that he was deaf and can only lipread. Now I don't like eye contact, so when he was trying to look at me I moved my face. When he moved his head to read my lips I moved my head the other way. It had not occurred to me that he was trying to read my lips. All I had was the thought "Why does this man move back and fore like he is doing?" It just did not occur to me!


:lmao:



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01 Jul 2020, 12:19 am

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Making eye contact causes me discomfort some reason that I'm not really sure of, so I don't do it with other adults unless they're some sort of authority over me. I can make proper eye contact with people I'm romantically close to though, and also with small children and animals.

Here's a funny, somewhat related thing. I didn't learn that you're not supposed to just stare at people in the eyes until recently, and that you're supposed to glance away from them occasionally when making eye contact. Whenever eye contact was explained to me that was never clarified, and people would just tell me to "look at/stare them in the eyes". Oops...


Yep,
I was clueless about how people dislike sustained eye contact.
I was clueless about many things that NTs take for granted.
Life is not made for us, unfortunately. <sigh>