High IQ = form of neurodiversity?

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Is Iakovos Koukas right in saying this?

Yes if it's in born, one that affects developmental milestones, by hitting it earlier than expected instead of delayed.

And the higher it goes, the more it's not a sign of a typical neurology.


If "high IQ" is the norm, then their IQ would be the standard, not considered or labeled "high".


Regardless of the interference of upbringing, what they do or end up with is definitely not a norm.
They likely do not have the same stressors nor are following the typical patterns of their peers if gone through the same thing.

Oh and...
Giftedness is considered in need of Special Education. It's under a form of exceptionality for a good reason.

Mismanagement of such cases has devastating effects and too many places f*** up their developmental trajectory.



As for higher IQ due to upbringing and environment -- that's just something anyone can just end up being lucky enough to get.

This is not a natural variant, this is privilege.
Definitely still, not a norm as much as everyone wanted to -- heck, having mental illness is closer to the statistical norm than this form of ideal.

And a cultural form of bias involved around the high IQ label; like how well off your parents are, or if being able to access quality stuff and applied knowledge of child development during developmental years, to ensure the moving developmental trajectory doesn't f*** up by not losing IQ points through malnutrition, accident or mismanagement.

A typical person never thinks of human developmental milestones.
A typical parent do not think of such except expecting the norm and follow trends, and just worry if it's delayed. React if it's too early.

A typical person do not study developmental psychology, let alone apply it in teaching and parenting. A typical community just... Doesn't.



Thus, a high IQ person, if one not born from privilege -- if their cognitive profile is more balanced, they will mask their giftedness to make other feel better.

Else, the people who can relate, keep up or understand them is scarce.
There's a reason why rates of mental illness is higher the higher IQ goes.

And the higher an IQ goes, the less people being able to resonate with them -- the less equal they'd having as peers they'd end up having, the more isolated they'd be.


If high IQ is a not a form of neurodivergence, then why the heck am I able to meet burnout ex-gifted kids, and individuals who desired to be NT due to said high IQ?

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Who is this person ? Iakovos Koukas and qualifications do they have? to offer opinions on this topic please ?

https://in-sightpublishing.com/2022/02/01/koukas-1/ That will give you some idea.

I shouldn't have asked the question. Sorry.

A Gifted person will rarely turn to others for help.

And others will, in turn, think they don't need it.

Paradoxically.

Just like all the Gifted people I've met.

They even tend to hide the fact that they are.

It's easy to get embarrassed because others are different.

No, I come from a rich family. I went to school with holes in my shoes.
I didn't even realize it.

It didn't matter.

Others realized I was different from them, but not that their compliments bothered me immensely.

If anything, I had a lot of deficits.

They just saw the classic glass half full.

I saw it half empty.

High IQ?

Hmph!

Depends on what.

I'd say pretty close to the baseline level compared to the whole.

What intelligences do we actually have?

And another question: do we really have them?

Because look at a high IQ and at best we'd be a tiny crumb compared to a robotic IQ.

Let's say our time (humans) is coming to the end of its task.

Now we'll pass the baton.

Are IQ tests something we even bother with in the UK

But going off track can be so much fun..? And it can be full of surprises,to see what pops up. Thank you for qualifing whom this individual is . Seems mI feel the need to input on topic of intelligence as measured by IQ .
The Janitor knows which products of chemical to use pragmatically , to remove rust stains in a toilet ..! But uses of Algebra might completely escape that same man . But you might wish the High IQ person to replace that janitor, and expect a quick response to cleaning offices/ toilets and not get it?. And visa versa,possibly the janitor maynot give you a quick response to the Algebraic equation ? Rather over simplified way of veiwing things ,Just my humble opinion.

And ..does appear Huckleberry Finns writing seems rather spot on about more gifted people rarely will usually be vocal about their IQ . As cited by the very differences , that , was cited above. As naive as that may appear . But pragmatism could also be a measure of high .iQ possibly . But the thread does have a interesting feel to it .

Opps after reading the article : Seems,I might get a better idea ,how your question was intended. Even so Koukas
seems to have some similiar veiws as to what i wrote above ,Intelligences are of varying kinds . And as I read on , It seems he has a dedicated belief in Othrodox Christianity , Which causes me speculation on some of his other beliefs.
he refers to living and non-living things , inspite a of scientific evidence. That all things are made up of atoms , but merely in different configurations to represent what humans percieve. ie. a rock versus a human . Merely different configurations . imho.

Nobody who knows me well would call me a practical person. When it comes to being pragmatic I'd say I'm averagely so. I'm very different from the usual person in the high IQ community;in that I'm much older than many of them, academically far less qualified,and get a lot of help and support.

You know, Jakki, your comparison is interesting.
I remember that a philosopher Bertrand Russell: The Conquest of Happiness (title) and not sleeping

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We aren't born happy, and things don't always go well during childhood, but happiness can be achieved through commitment and tenacity, but we must first desire it. We don't deliberately choose to be unhappy, yet it seems that in our age we still too often pride ourselves on being dissatisfied, on seeing only the atrocities of the world, on being pessimistic. Russell writes: "Men who are unhappy, like men who sleep badly, always boast about it."

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And why do they do it? Because often those surrounded by an aura of the "beautiful and damned," the chronically unhappy, the existentialist, seem to possess an unparalleled charm and an aura of superiority. This is because, Russell writes, those who attribute their suffering to their way of conceiving the universe are putting the cart before the horse; the truth is that they are unhappy for some reason of which they are unaware, and this unhappiness leads them to dwell on the less pleasant features of the world in which they live.

The overly introspective man is sick, and risks focusing only on the emptiness within him instead of looking outward to grasp the multifaceted face of the world. For Russell, there is nothing great in the unhappiness of the introspective man.

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But what, according to Russell, are the reasons for our unhappiness?

Competition

Boredom and excitement

Fatigue

Envy

Guilt

Persecution mania

Fear of public opinion


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To understand = to understand.
Maybe the janitor understands more?
A friend of mine has only an IQ of 154. He wasn't able to understand (calculate) that the oxygen tank he bought for his father, who was sick with Covid, could (logically) run out.
It was logical: but he didn't even think about it.

The tank ran out, and his father's partner called an ambulance, and he ended up in intensive care.
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Of course, if we evaluated intelligence based on what you can do or not, I don't know who would win in extended tests.

But the tests themselves are worthless.

Let's imagine that valid tests at least need to be long-term, otherwise...

they're tests of mathematical logic in general.

Even for the uneducated.

The fact is that an Italian, even without education, has an average IQ of 102, both academic and non-academic.

A Japanese person, the same.
A Mongolian has an average IQ of 105 without any education.

In a message written for Sinner Atmane (IQ 158), he wrote on camera in Cincinnati: "The Fermi Paradox."
It was a discussion about aliens.
Sinner is considered by Atmane to be some sort of alien being.
Atmane met him and lost.
He played very well.
Before the match, he gave him a 24th birthday gift.
A Pokemon card!
Atmane loves that game.
They hugged before and after the match.
Fermi essentially said: "Yes, but where is everyone?"

I mean, if aliens exist, where are they?

Well! We've theorized 42 space-time dimensions.
How many do we perceive? Three? And the others?

Someone from the fourth dimension would see us. We wouldn't see him, maybe a small segment for an instant, randomly.

The question is: what intelligence are we measuring?

Also because do we really know all intelligences?
I don't think so.
Not even the sub-intelligences, which can't be standardized and aren't even close to being understood.
So we're pretty stupid even at Genius levels (which is much more than just high IQ intelligence).

My friend doesn't know how to cook a hard-boiled egg.
Basically, he has no interest in it.

It's special interests that make the difference.

And anyway: primitive man was more intelligent than modern man, compared to anyone else.

He had to learn everything without having anything as a basis, and solve continuous problems, not to mention not being able to even write them down.
His memory was stellar.

He didn't last long, you know, Jakki: because life back then was difficult and the average lifespan was very short (so they say)

A film tells the story of Julius Caesar.

He was a super tactician. But also highly cultured. He had a tutor.

But the conversations he had with some of his peers, Marcus Junus Brutus, and others, possessed an impressive capacity for abstract thought.
The Greek philosophers theorized about the atom.
In some hieroglyphics, one can sense that the ancient Egyptians knew about electricity...

A boy today in Italy knows perhaps 5,000 words; two generations older, and I put them six years apart, knew twice as many. Mine, 25,600 words.
I don't have a mental dialogue, so I only think in images.
My father knew many more than me.
He also spoke other languages. Good.
He understood at least 12.
Once he asked an engineer how many cubic meters of reinforced concrete were needed to build the mega dam he had when he was 21.
The engineer was left without an answer.
He hadn't thought about it.
Intelligence is multifaceted.
An old man crystallized it: but it works super well.
Is intelligence memory?
Also!
A lot!

Oh, my father wasn't neurodivergent.
My mother was: she also impressed me
in some ways.

A friend of mine died very young, just after graduating in Architecture. He got a high grade.

He was immediately called by the most famous architect in Italy at the time to work in Brazil, if I'm not mistaken.

He resigned shortly after.

He returned to his region, then went to Spain, where he met a colleague of his.

She was better than him: my friend said so openly.

The most beautiful thing I ever experienced was (finally) finding a classmate who was better than me in the eyes of others.
I don't know what his IQ was.
But everything he did, he did better than anyone.
Even other classes consulted him.

I was the only one who never asked him about his IQ.

He chose me as his classmate.
The first time we didn't speak at all.
At least for about five hours.
Then, on the way home, we suddenly had a very intense conversation.
He let me go first because he understood my difficulties.
I arrived at an exam completely unprepared.

He asked me for my very detailed notes.
He studied them in just a few minutes.

Then he thanked me.

After high school, I never saw him again: maybe he really was an alien!
P.S.: He was neurotypical (allistic), not neurodivergent at all.
He was incredibly embarrassed.
Once, the teacher yelled at him that with his talents, he should always get top marks.

He embarrassed me too: after a math test.

He complimented me.

By the way, I thanked him with a soft tongue; my mouth was as if dry.

I accepted them from him.

Most geniuses never live up to their full potential
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan

Many do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao

Terrance is an interesting case since his brother has autism and has the same proclivity for math as he does.