Who wants to swarm the Judge Rotenberg Center...

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... and get the kids out of there?

We need lots and lots and lots of people and vehicles!

Regardless of anything else I don't think PMing people that live thousands of miles away from the target and are incapable of offering aid will further your cause?

They have these things called planes nowadays...

And you can afford a jolly across the pond can you? I don't think so. I'd love to help, mind you. Torture is disgusting no matter where it occurs and particularly so in this case.

I was joking, dude.
If you want to help out, you can help me overthrow the government.
At least you won't have to travel far.

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If this is serious, then it is one of the stupidest, most irresponsible ideas Ive ever heard of . Good luck with that Ana54. I look forward to seeing you on the 6 o'clock news with the words "Psycho autistic kid breaks into clinic". Your just going to be doing more harm than good.

Why don't you write an article in a newspaper? Why not spread fliers denouncing the center? Start a website? All those things are much more constructive than what you've said. I know its "romantic" to think your going to break in there and rescue them all. I bet you replay it over and over in your mind, imagining just how its going to go down. In the end, you emerge triumphant with all the kids. Great. Why not try something really constructive? It'll help much more.

What other people have said.

To give an example of a more effective (and more responsible) way of doing it, see here:

People First Win Freedom in Tennessee

A quote from that article:

Additionally, I'd add something that one woman who moved out of a large institution said: You can't just move people out, you have to move them out someplace better. While "anyplace is better than there" might be accurate in some senses, in other senses you've got to actually have places for people to stay where they can get basic needs (food, water, etc.) met and are free from other kinds of abuse. And people have to prefer living there (which excludes, say, running in and grabbing people and insisting you know what's best, which is exactly what was done to them in the first place).

I was going to ask, where would all these people go after getting out of the center?
Tough question, I really don't know the answer, since having the amount of money necessary to house or relocate these people is beyond most peoples means. I doubt shelters would take them, as they have enough trouble with the amount of people they already have.

Its better if you start some sort of initiative in the state in which it's located. An initiative is like a referendum, except its started by the people instead of the legislators. Start a group that gets people to sign for the initiative (you need a set number of signatures to get it on the ballot), and advertise it constantly. Even if you do not win, you will be able to get the word out that this center is not completely benevolent in its means.

While it gets a lot of inmates from NY, it's located in Massachusetts.

Sorry I had heard it was in N.Y, but I changed that since I could not remember exactly where it was from. Mass. would probably be easier to get a initiative in than N.Y. It's quite liberal, and intellectual from what I've heard. You may be able to get many sympathy voters.

Except there's a senator (or something like that, politician at the state level, blanking on who) in Mass. who has a relative there and blocks anything that would otherwise get rid of it, which is why they haven't been thrown out of Mass. yet (they were already thrown out of California).

Also, liberal vs. conservative politics often says nothing about how disabled people are treated (both parties in the USA anyway tend to treat us like crap, with slightly different excuses for doing so).

I'm pretty sure she's joking. Sometimes things like this are just fun to think about. Like one time, I suggested organizing an effort to catspam this forum, but it was more the fun of thinking of an effective way to do it. To actually do it would just hurt people and discredit ZOMG.

*makes virus*

It matters, liberals tend to be on the side of equality. They tend to really support initiatives in favor of the disabled. However, you would have to convince them it was in fact in favor of the disabled; many of the supports of the center would say THEY are the vanguards of the disabled. Libertarians of course would be completely against you (You might consider them both a liberal and conservative). Populists would probably be against you, as would many conservatives. Uphill battle there.

Initiatives were set up to get around corrupt politicians. However, a senator completely against your initiative would still be a considerable obstacle; he could make it so your initiative would have incredible opposition.

I think she is joking too. But, sometimes I'm not sure.

She's joking d00ds.

Liberals think they do. Conservatives think they do, too. The key word is think. And both will use disabled people as a "See, look, we're nice to them" thing without really acting in our interests at all.

Liberals and Disability Rights: Why Don't They Get It? focuses (from the point of view of disability rights activists who wish liberals would get it because those particular activists are more on the side of liberals than conservatives on other matters) on why liberals don't tend to grasp disability rights perspectives, and often fight against us. (While that article came out after a specific incident happened, it collects articles from a bunch of different writers on this topic.)

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Another one of the more telling quotes from it is that disability issues are seen as medical issues rather than civil rights issues (which is, in fact, why in the name of "psychiatric medicine" it's possible to torture people in ways that are otherwise outlawed under international law).