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28 Aug 2008, 8:44 pm

I have realized that for me, I use language like a tool. It's just something I use sometimes to get what I want. A hoop I have to jump through. I have no internal compulsion to speak to others. My sense of self is not inherently wrapped up with my use of language. When I speak, it is like picking up a tool and using it for a purpose, then putting it down when I'm done. Like a hammer is not actually a part of my hand when I use it, language is not actually a part of me.



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29 Aug 2008, 2:49 am

when all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


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29 Aug 2008, 3:02 am

well the misuse of language can do a lot of damage, like the hammer

i sometimes feel like language is just a tool, and sometimes actually feel connected to and through it, I guess it depends on the situation...

there are definately times when if i could get what i needed/wanted without talking about it i'd be much happier... but actually i talk to myself quite a bit when i'm alone..

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29 Aug 2008, 6:46 am

sinsboldly wrote:
when all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


That's not what I'm talking about. And yet, I knew someone would say that...



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29 Aug 2008, 6:47 am

vt420 wrote:
there are definately times when if i could get what i needed/wanted without talking about it i'd be much happier... but actually i talk to myself quite a bit when i'm alone..

Jeff


Me too. I have no compulsion to speak to others, but I love talking to myself alone. I'm always a willing listener, I guess. LOL



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29 Aug 2008, 7:10 am

Language is a deadly weapon, by the way :roll:



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29 Aug 2008, 7:15 am

I think language is a tool for everyone.

You use it to convey a thought, an idea.
You use it to get the things you want.
You use it to convey, an expression of love & affection.
to order a cheeseburger.

I think the difference, I have noticed, is that NT's use it to take up space/time. As they are uncomfortable in silence. I think because they are driven to be in the company of others, they feel alone without the verbal static they call talking. Unlike AS people people that can be comfortably alone. Some people would rather rattle on for hours about which color pink nail polish (cars, sports, whatever) they prefer. rather than sit peacefully in silence. Luckily my NT husband & I can sit and not have to speak. We are present in each others company yet do not find the quietness awkward.



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29 Aug 2008, 2:34 pm

body language is also a language of which many among us do not understand. The Native Americans believed that if you spoke too much you would lose your soul, therfor they developed gesture language, whcih again was used for deaf/mute people.

Buddha said that when one speaks too much he is hollow inside like an empty drum


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29 Aug 2008, 2:37 pm

I am about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscrimate justice!



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29 Aug 2008, 3:12 pm

That sounds similar to what I experience with language. But mine's different in so far as that to me this is a tool that does not fit myself well.

It's just too much wrong, there's a better system needed than having to converse in language for me.

Loborojo wrote:
body language is also a language of which many among us do not understand. The Native Americans believed that if you spoke too much you would lose your soul, therfor they developed gesture language, whcih again was used for deaf/mute people.

Buddha said that when one speaks too much he is hollow inside like an empty drum


Interesting, because I feel similar to how the Native Americans felt and I can somewhat relate to that quote from Buddha.

Sharing something at all and especially in language, has always been something that feel as if I lost something of what I said and thus something of me in the very process.


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29 Aug 2008, 3:19 pm

this is probably going to sound really nuts...but

sometimes I get so exhausted from words....and especially when I communicate and I get misunderstood or I misunderstand...

that it's a relief to speak my language - and it's also a relief to write it....looks like gibberish...though....so I don't usually express it in public....or the forum...although I've done it a couple of times on my blog....it was a relief - because I felt like I communicated but then I erased it because I was afraid that I would lose friends here becuase of it.



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29 Aug 2008, 3:22 pm

tahloola wrote:
this is probably going to sound really nuts...but

sometimes I get so exhausted from words....and especially when I communicate and I get misunderstood or I misunderstand...

that it's a relief to speak my language - and it's also a relief to write it....looks like gibberish...though....so I don't usually express it in public....or the forum...although I've done it a couple of times on my blog....it was a relief - because I felt like I communicated but then I erased it because I was afraid that I would lose friends here becuase of it.


Not nuts at all to my mind. I can relate to that.

If I speak for too long, I get it all messed up because it's just complicated to think and say the words.


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29 Aug 2008, 3:51 pm

Talking can be exhausting. I truly enjoy using language to communicate but only when we're actually using language to express ourselves or bond or talk about something important. I do not value white-noise talk, i.e. small talk about the weather. I think that really does come from discomfort with silence. Or people assume that if you're not constantly speaking to them you must not like them.


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29 Aug 2008, 9:04 pm

mysterious_misfit wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
when all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


That's not what I'm talking about. And yet, I knew someone would say that...


happy to oblige!

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29 Aug 2008, 11:24 pm

It deffinately feels like the wrong tool for the job sometimes, but there isn't always a more applicable tool in the toolbox either....


hmm...

maybe it's not language in general that's my problem... it that the words to express EXACTLY what i mean don't exist or wouldn't be understood correctly or at all by the listener


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30 Aug 2008, 1:56 am

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