Do you force your opinions/views on other people?

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05 Dec 2008, 1:28 am

I have tried to be better about this, but I have a very nasty habit of finding holes in the logic of other people if their opinions/views do not make sense to me. I get almost to the point of ridiculing them and/or putting them on the spot. I'm just wondering if any of you do this or if I'm just a total ass :)



05 Dec 2008, 2:17 am

No I do not. I did as a kid but my mother taught me when I was in elementary school, "Everyone is entitled to their opinion."
She also told me "That is an opinion."
I just didn't know the difference between facts and opinions. I know now but there are still people out there, even NTs who don't know the difference.



My ex did this to me and he wouldn't drop the subject until I agreed with him. This was very annoying and he saw me as running away from our problems when I wanted to change the topic because we were arguing. I told him what was there to solve. He can't force someone to change their opinions. He said "You never know." I am so glad I dumped him. :x
I run away from those people. .



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05 Dec 2008, 2:40 am

No...and you better do the same if you know hwtas good for you!



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05 Dec 2008, 2:45 am

It was mentally draining to get my ex to change his opinion.

I used to try to force my opinion on people in my socialist days, but now I just don't care.



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05 Dec 2008, 4:26 am

Of course I do I have Aspergers. However since my recent DX I am more aware of this and try to behave myself. Although a check of my posts on this forum reveal that I am not rehabilitating all that well.


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05 Dec 2008, 4:30 am

I wonder if my ex had AS but my aspie friends kept telling me he doesn't and he was just an a**hole so I dismissed he might have had it.


I notice lot of people are like this in religion and politics. Jeff sure was but he was like that in other things too about his ideas like how our country should work. Still politics.



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05 Dec 2008, 4:32 am

I've done this in the past.

I'm doing some reading on collaborative problem solving at the moment.
I'm trying to respect other people's points of view better.

I know someone who forces his opinion on other all the time lol. :lol:
Lots of people get irritated with him.
But sometimes he is right... 8O



05 Dec 2008, 4:38 am

AmberEyes wrote:
I've done this in the past.

I'm doing some reading on collaborative problem solving at the moment.
I'm trying to respect other people's points of view better.

I know someone who forces his opinion on other all the time lol. :lol:
Lots of people get irritated with him.
But sometimes he is right... 8O



Do you get irritated with him?
When I was with my ex, I started to pretend I agreed with him to shut him up.



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05 Dec 2008, 4:40 am

I do this with my girlfriend all the time. I absolutely cannot stand for her to have a different opinion from me, and I tend to bombard her with criticisms on her logic until she gives in and agrees with me. I know it's a terrible habit of mine, and I am trying actively to be better about it. Thankfully, having been with me for10 years, she seems to have accepted it as part of me. But I do tell her that I am sorry for when I get that way, and I try to be more accepting of her having different views on some things.


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05 Dec 2008, 4:41 am

jread wrote:
I have tried to be better about this, but I have a very nasty habit of finding holes in the logic of other people if their opinions/views do not make sense to me. I get almost to the point of ridiculing them and/or putting them on the spot. I'm just wondering if any of you do this or if I'm just a total ass :)


And why you think this as "very nasty habit"?

If the opinions of other people does not make sense, why you shouldn't say that these opinions does not make sense?

Let's see these in another way - if you think that other people opinions does not make sense, these mean that you know their opinion; and if you know their opinion, these probably mean that they tell their opinions to you (or, at least, in public, if not explicitly to you); then, these mean that these people are trying to persuade the others that they are right.

Then, if they can try to persuade you that they are right, for what some absurd reason you can't try to persuade them that they are wrong?



05 Dec 2008, 4:43 am

Tails wrote:
I do this with my girlfriend all the time. I absolutely cannot stand for her to have a different opinion from me, and I tend to bombard her with criticisms on her logic until she gives in and agrees with me. I know it's a terrible habit of mine, and I am trying actively to be better about it. Thankfully, having been with me for10 years, she seems to have accepted it as part of me. But I do tell her that I am sorry for when I get that way, and I try to be more accepting of her having different views on some things.



She is probably pretending she agrees with you.



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05 Dec 2008, 4:55 am

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Tails wrote:
I do this with my girlfriend all the time. I absolutely cannot stand for her to have a different opinion from me, and I tend to bombard her with criticisms on her logic until she gives in and agrees with me. I know it's a terrible habit of mine, and I am trying actively to be better about it. Thankfully, having been with me for10 years, she seems to have accepted it as part of me. But I do tell her that I am sorry for when I get that way, and I try to be more accepting of her having different views on some things.



She is probably pretending she agrees with you.


Well yeah, by saying that she 'gives in', I was pretty much implying that she just says she agrees with me. Although I have genuinely changed her mind on some things, where I have actually been able to PROVE her wrong. However, on matters of opinion I suppose I'll never know if she really agrees with me or not... 'though I'd like to think she does!


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05 Dec 2008, 5:02 am

I think that today people confuse much "tolerance" with "acceptance".

We should "tolerate" different opinions - we should not want that people who think differently from we to be killed, empriosened, firing from their jobs, socially ostracized etc. But you should not "accept" their opinions - if we think their opinions are wrong, we should say that they are wrong and why we think they are wrong.

This (open and sometimes sharp discussion of ideas) is the root of all intelectual progress.

And, if some people feels offended because you criticize their opinions, these mean that these people (not you) have some problem (it is these people who have "rigid thinking", not you; people with "flexible thinking" react to criticism in two ways: or they recognize that the criticism is correct and change their opinion, or they try to find some error in your critic and refute it).



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05 Dec 2008, 5:06 am

I confess that, sometimes, even when I agree with other people, I try to find reasons to disagree only to have the pleasure to criticize their opinions.



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05 Dec 2008, 5:07 am

I am always quick to give my opinions, even when they may be too blunt for some.
Family and friends have long since gotten used to this and actually like an honest opinion as they dont get it from NT's normally.
As for partners, my ex-fiance who I lived with was used to me being stubborn in my opionions and got used to just agreeing with me, no doubt because it was easier! Partners I have had since then, have not been quite so agreeing or tolerant with me.
Maybe its something I have to learn to compromise on from time to time? If I can!


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05 Dec 2008, 5:14 am

Tails wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
Tails wrote:
I do this with my girlfriend all the time. I absolutely cannot stand for her to have a different opinion from me, and I tend to bombard her with criticisms on her logic until she gives in and agrees with me. I know it's a terrible habit of mine, and I am trying actively to be better about it. Thankfully, having been with me for10 years, she seems to have accepted it as part of me. But I do tell her that I am sorry for when I get that way, and I try to be more accepting of her having different views on some things.



She is probably pretending she agrees with you.


Well yeah, by saying that she 'gives in', I was pretty much implying that she just says she agrees with me. Although I have genuinely changed her mind on some things, where I have actually been able to PROVE her wrong. However, on matters of opinion I suppose I'll never know if she really agrees with me or not... 'though I'd like to think she does!



Sure someone can finally agree with you after arguing with them about something. But they could just be pretending they agree with you to shut you up. You can't change other people's thoughts or opinions but just because they finally agree doesn't mean they gave in. They could just be saying that to shut you up like I did with my ex. He bought it every time.



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