take this test. im not too sure it's indicative of aspergers

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i disagree with this test because one with aspergers who can employ logic in their thought should not fail this test.
people who fail this test, i believe, must simply be stupid because they cannot use simple logic.
to indicate mind-blindness or ToM, the question at the end should be "how does sally feel about the ball being moved"
what do you think?

I failed it when I was 25, and I keep on failing it.

I, stupid.

This is a test for small children - the most Aspies who developed some logic thinking in school age will pass it, a lot of Asperger fail in an age of four years or so.

Most adults (LFA, HFA, AS or NT) if they were to put an object in the basket and then while they were out of the room if the object is moved to the box, then when they come back to the room they will look first in the basket.

A small child with autism or AS might if they see the comic strip think that the original owner will know about the movement of the object. They might think that becuase they are seeing it happen that the owner of the ball has also seen it happen.

A person with more experience (regardless of autism, AS, NT) what will understand that it is possible for an object to be moved while they are unable to watch or otherwise obseve it moving. I am also sure that when any person wants an object they will go first to the place where they think that they recall leaving the object.

I think that the test might work on small children, but on older children and adults I think it will not normally work.

i came dux of subjects at uni before i dropped out.....
i do not get this test. i don't understand and i cannot follow it.....
i don't know where to look

Memorize the answer. It's not that hard.

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I agree, this test is designed for young children. I know I would have failed it under age ten.

um, what's the correct answer? I'd check the box and the basket...

Wait... did the basket get moved closer to the box while Sally was gone? It seems to. If the basket had been moved, I'd at least consider that the ball could have been moved, since Anne could find it easier to move the basket to the box, rather than moving the ball all the way.

Now, if the basket hasn't been moved, I'd check the basket first. If the basket was moved, there must have been a reason. And this strip doesn't clearly illustrate that when Anne moves to being between them. Besides which, wouldn't sally walk in from screen left, and pass by the basket first? Wouldn't that make it more logical to check the basket and then the box?

Did I fail? WTF is the correct answer?

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Generally: Passing this test is exactly spoken a clear sign of a lack of logic thinking, because the wording "this is Anne" or "this is sally" is utterly nonsense. This not Sally, but a "picture of Sally" or better "graphical representation of Sally".

So: No logical thinking being shall pass this test at all.

My mom tried this on me. She said that she was told people with Autism, usually choose the box. I choose the basket, because anne doesn't know that sally moved the ball.

Okay here's the true correct answer:

In the first frame Sally notices that mischievous smirk on Anne's face and suspects that Anne might try to move her ball when she leaves the room. When Sally returns she notices that the blanket over her basket has been disturbed compared to how it looked when she left the room. Anne must have been up to something! Therefore Sally will look for her ball in Anne's box.

Seriously though, if I was a kid and I was given this test I'd be so bored with the story I wouldn't be able to force myself to pay attention to what the characters might be thinking. I'd probably be wondering why Anne doesn't have a shadow in the first frame but in the second she's suddenly sitting and has a shadow. Or is that a shadow? Then when asked where Sally will look for the ball I'd just be like "duh, how should I know?".

I don't believe you. Prove it!

She looks in the basket first and sees it's not there, so she looks in the box and ta da there it is. Nice try friend because I found the ball.

Sally should see that the blanket covering the basket has been touched, as its rumpled differently over the basket. She'd look in the basket first (to see if everythings ok) realise the ball is missing, then look in the box second (cos Anne was the last person near the basket *suspicious look*)

Of course I don't know if the blanket covering the basket is actually a standard prop in every Sally-Anne test. Maybe some doctors omit the blanket.

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I know the correct answer, it's just that I can't see it. Every time it has been given to me verbally, see: 'to Sally, where is the ball/pencil?' I always see where it's put after the second character moves it, and that's my genuine answer at the time.

You're not supposed to put thought to it with minutes of logical deduction, it's supposed to be instant.

A better adult test is various empathy tests, the EQ test being one tied into this one.

Before I thought about it logically I thought that she would look in the box, but then I remembered that she wouldnt know it had been moved. I may have got it wrong completely when I was about 4 but I can't be sure because I don't remember doing such a test.