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17 Jan 2009, 11:54 pm

I always thought my crazy mood swings were from AS or hormones, but I read this article and saw that I could relate to it. I always feel I should get evaluated for various personality disorders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder



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18 Jan 2009, 12:56 am

People with histrionic personality disorder are very sociable and friendly although they tend to temper tantrums, mood swings, and other negative affect. They really don't closely resemble Asperger's syndrome although I suppose it is possible for someone with AS to have this (although it would be rare). I have met women who seem like this before, and it can be "complicated."



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18 Jan 2009, 2:25 am

it's the acting one's self aspect that creates behaviour that might resemble some traits of histrionic pd; (i have considered it for myself, and it ought to have been listed along with the other more female misdxes of autism (but rarely, indeed)

try to reinterprate FP, histrioniclike may just be in autism too; check the other thread -

you breezy too

and, indeed, a female aspie (no surprise AT ALL)

when your diagnosis: if recent: do nothing at all for a year and let it sink in; if then still problematic, then see with shrink of still AXIS II applicable

that goes for anyone, imo
but at 18, you are sooh young, have so much time still to waste:
waste it: gonna be the best investment of your realistically happy life

YOUR TIME is YOURS to waste!! !

enjoy your executive dysfunction, enjoy your endless spider solitaire,
it's coming to terms time: YOUR TERMS


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18 Jan 2009, 3:03 am

NeantHumain wrote:
People with histrionic personality disorder are very sociable and friendly although they tend to temper tantrums, mood swings, and other negative affect. They really don't closely resemble Asperger's syndrome although I suppose it is possible for someone with AS to have this (although it would be rare). I have met women who seem like this before, and it can be "complicated."


To Fickle_Pickle: NeantHumain stated this well. I just checked your profile and you're Dx'd w/ AS. I'm certainly not a neuro/psych professional (thankfully!) but I am a HFA with a science background and analytical mind. You *might* have a histrionic personality disorder, but why would you think so? Histrionic personality disorder is similar to psychopathic disorder with much overlap.

In general (I'm sure there's exceptions) those with AS are NOT 'drama queens' as NeantHumain alludes to in his post. Usually this PD is very dramatic with a show-off type of outgoing personality and some shallowness; lack of introspection is noted. Some with a flair for attention and flagrant bragging or attention seeking behavior and risk taking. I read the histrionic personality profile is typified by Anna Nicole Smith. I don't know you, of course, but with you as an Aspie, do you identify with Anna Nicole Smith? Please know, I am not meaning to be judgmental of you at all! And if you do have this disorder you can be helped, but I just wonder why you think you may have a PD so incongruent with AS.

AS/Autism is as highly introspective as they come and nearly rules out histrionic PD, as NeantHumain wrote. Certainly there are many co-morbid disorders associated with AS/Autism, such as anxiety, depression, secondary mood-disorder, PTSD.

But I hope you feel better and maybe find out!


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18 Jan 2009, 10:38 am

I don't know why people get defensive about Personality Disorders. I also don't know why someone cannot have both AS and a Personality Disorder. One does not cancel the other out, does it?
Especially if you went through childhood without a diagnosis or were surrounded by ignorant, prejiduced people who treated you pretty badly because they refused to accept you for who you were. Seems like a personality might develop deviant ways of coping under those circumstances.



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18 Jan 2009, 1:25 pm

I know someone who I am absolutely positive has HPD. She is a train wreck, to put it politely. She would never ever be on-line looking to see what may be wrong with her, because she is too busy looking on-line to see what is wrong with everyone else . Nothing is, or will ever be her fault, because she is always the victim, always. She is in every way the polar opposite of me. Just my non-professional opinion, if you think you may have HPD, then you most certainly don't. That's why there is no treatment for that specific disorder, because the patient will never admit to having a problem, or being at fault for their destructive behavior.



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18 Jan 2009, 2:53 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I don't know why people get defensive about Personality Disorders. I also don't know why someone cannot have both AS and a Personality Disorder. One does not cancel the other out, does it?
Especially if you went through childhood without a diagnosis or were surrounded by ignorant, prejiduced people who treated you pretty badly because they refused to accept you for who you were. Seems like a personality might develop deviant ways of coping under those circumstances.


That last sentence is something people need to remember in regards to PDs. It's not like anybody chooses their living environment for the first quarter of their life. The last three quarters depends on what happened in the first. A PD doesn't magically appear as willed by that person... There is a reason for everything. I'm wondering about PAPD (Passive Aggressive) at the moment, as there are a lot of the "precursors" that have caused this disorder in others that are in my own life.

In my own non professional opinion, I believe the screening of disorders is done to differentiate between PERVASIVE traits and LEARNED traits. The former are best explained by Aspergers/Autism, the latter a personality disorder. I think it's important to differentiate between the two. However, this leaves the question of Aspergers/Autism causing a PD not even asked...


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18 Jan 2009, 3:01 pm

-JR wrote:
In my own non professional opinion, I believe the screening of disorders is done to differentiate between PERVASIVE traits and LEARNED traits. The former are best explained by Aspergers/Autism, the latter a personality disorder.


Though there is also evidence of genetic factors playing a role in the development of, for example, BPD and APD.


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18 Jan 2009, 10:09 pm

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I know someone who I am absolutely positive has HPD. She is a train wreck, to put it politely. She would never ever be on-line looking to see what may be wrong with her, because she is too busy looking on-line to see what is wrong with everyone else . Nothing is, or will ever be her fault, because she is always the victim, always. She is in every way the polar opposite of me. Just my non-professional opinion, if you think you may have HPD, then you most certainly don't. That's why there is no treatment for that specific disorder, because the patient will never admit to having a problem, or being at fault for their destructive behavior.

Often people with histrionic personality disorder have a comorbid somatizing disorder (e.g., somatization disorder, hypochondriasis, conversion disorder); they may use their illness to garner attention and sympathy. They tend to be conniving, which means they complain about situations they largely manipulated to happen in the first place (again, to create a desired sympathy or other outcome). HPD can blur into borderline personality disorder, but BPD has much more emotional dysregulation and reckless behavior. Histrions tend to value their social relationships strongly but are not as afraid of abandonment.



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18 Jan 2009, 10:14 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I don't know why people get defensive about Personality Disorders. I also don't know why someone cannot have both AS and a Personality Disorder. One does not cancel the other out, does it?
Especially if you went through childhood without a diagnosis or were surrounded by ignorant, prejiduced people who treated you pretty badly because they refused to accept you for who you were. Seems like a personality might develop deviant ways of coping under those circumstances.

Actually, I've seen research that links pervasive developmental disorder in childhood (i.e., autism and Asperger's syndrome) with Cluster A and C personality disorders in adulthood (i.e., schizoid personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, avoidant personality disorder, and dependent personality disorder). ADHD in childhood was linked with the Cluster B personality disorders (antisocial, borderline, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders).

One common link between both types of developmental disorder in childhood and personality disorder in adulthood was low self-directedness and an external locus of control (i.e., they did not feel in charge of their own destiny).



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18 Jan 2009, 10:37 pm

serenity wrote:
I know someone who I am absolutely positive has HPD. She is a train wreck, to put it politely. She would never ever be on-line looking to see what may be wrong with her, because she is too busy looking on-line to see what is wrong with everyone else . Nothing is, or will ever be her fault, because she is always the victim, always. She is in every way the polar opposite of me. Just my non-professional opinion, if you think you may have HPD, then you most certainly don't. That's why there is no treatment for that specific disorder, because the patient will never admit to having a problem, or being at fault for their destructive behavior.


This alone describes someone who I once knew as well!! ! I won't bore anyone about the details about what this person did.. but if she didn't have HPD, I would be surprised.



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18 Jan 2009, 10:49 pm

Oh, one other thing is that HPDs have a thing for authority figures (e.g., police); they like to create situations where they can be "rescued" or depend on someone with authority.



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18 Jan 2009, 11:59 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
serenity wrote:
I know someone who I am absolutely positive has HPD. She is a train wreck, to put it politely. She would never ever be on-line looking to see what may be wrong with her, because she is too busy looking on-line to see what is wrong with everyone else . Nothing is, or will ever be her fault, because she is always the victim, always. She is in every way the polar opposite of me. Just my non-professional opinion, if you think you may have HPD, then you most certainly don't. That's why there is no treatment for that specific disorder, because the patient will never admit to having a problem, or being at fault for their destructive behavior.

Often people with histrionic personality disorder have a comorbid somatizing disorder (e.g., somatization disorder, hypochondriasis, conversion disorder); they may use their illness to garner attention and sympathy. They tend to be conniving, which means they complain about situations they largely manipulated to happen in the first place (again, to create a desired sympathy or other outcome). HPD can blur into borderline personality disorder, but BPD has much more emotional dysregulation and reckless behavior. Histrions tend to value their social relationships strongly but are not as afraid of abandonment.


But they are almost always physical maladies that they "manifest". The person that I know (and granted this is only one person) always has mysterious pain. This pain flares up when she is either asked to do something that she doesn't want to do, or sees that someone else is getting more attention. She bounces from doctor to doctor getting prescribed pain meds that make her even more neurotic. I don't know if I could call her conniving, as I think she does truly believe that she is the victim. I think she really doesn't see that she is the one that is making her own problems. Her behavior is so extreme that it leaves everyone in shock at hte outrageous things that she says, and does. She doesn't fear abandonment, because in her mind she's such a wonderful person that the other person leaving her is missing out, and of course she can use the abandonment to garner sympathy from everyone else. She changes friends like most of us change underwear. For every one friend that leaves, she's got 2 more to replace them in a small amount of time.



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19 Jan 2009, 12:07 am

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serenity wrote:
I know someone who I am absolutely positive has HPD. She is a train wreck, to put it politely. She would never ever be on-line looking to see what may be wrong with her, because she is too busy looking on-line to see what is wrong with everyone else . Nothing is, or will ever be her fault, because she is always the victim, always. She is in every way the polar opposite of me. Just my non-professional opinion, if you think you may have HPD, then you most certainly don't. That's why there is no treatment for that specific disorder, because the patient will never admit to having a problem, or being at fault for their destructive behavior.


This alone describes someone who I once knew as well!! ! I won't bore anyone about the details about what this person did.. but if she didn't have HPD, I would be surprised.


Then you know how toxic they can be. They can be very deceiving, and charming at first, and since I don't read people, and situations as well as a NT I think she really took advantage of me for way longer then I should've let her. Unfortunately, the person I'm describing is my husband's aunt, and she turned some of the family against me after I quit letting her use me.



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19 Jan 2009, 12:09 am

yeah that's like my sister-in-law, the stuff she says is just shocking, i used to wonder if she was borderline but she's a lot more 'normie' than that. every thing is a drama and there's always lots of fights around her, she is conniving. she used to say it was just her Italian-ness (they were born in Italy, her parents migrated here), but her sisters aren't like that.

I would think Histrionic is the polar opposite of AS.



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18 Feb 2009, 6:56 pm

I think it is too! I knew someone with HPD and I was the total opposite.

Now I'm not new to drama...I have Borderline...but I'm not as expressive with it...it leads to self destruction on my part (self loathing, eating disorders etc)