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27 Aug 2021, 8:53 am

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residential schools :(

Shouldn't be the first thing.


My bf and I have been studying residential school history and the reconciliation project all summer, so yeah -- unfortunately it is the first thing even though it's very sad.

Earlier in this thread I said "McGill" came to mind, but now I think of those children's shoes.


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28 Aug 2021, 10:00 am

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Please can I come there if the U.S devolves into fascism?

that is what I think. Or is it really any better there in regards to that...?

Well if you smoke weed, you need to line up at a Provincial store with limited hours and probably pay a premium, unlike in my state where it seems we have a "medical dispensary" on every other street corner, and I would assume that the price is lower than Canada, just like tobacco, liquor, and gasoline.

I live in what most would consider a suburban area yet I can literally walk to a liquor store where I can buy any sort of alcoholic beverage I wish (so long as it's not from Cuba LOL) even on Sunday until 7 PM. Try doing that in Canada, or at least in Ontario or Quebec (sorry I wouldn't know about other provinces).

I think you'd miss those things after a while.

TBH if I really thought I needed to leave the US for political reasons I'd consider Mexico long before I'd consider Canada, despite even having relatives in the latter.


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28 Aug 2021, 10:03 am

-a safe place to run (i'm in the US)
-maple syrup :)
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28 Aug 2021, 10:05 am

Canada now does door-to-door delivery for beer, alcohol, and pot. It can arrive seven days a week, at all hours.


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28 Aug 2021, 12:44 pm

now THAT is advanced! 8) count me in! :D



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28 Aug 2021, 12:49 pm

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Canada now does door-to-door delivery for beer, alcohol, and pot. It can arrive seven days a week, at all hours.


These services have been available in Canada for decades, perhaps - and very likely - even for more than a century.

Soooo, thaaaaaaaat's what Gord meant! :D (For the uninitiated, this is perhaps the most Canadian of Canadian songs - more Canadians can probably sing along to this than the national anthem!)



RIP Gord - so glad you blessed Canada with an entire genre defining discography of beautiful Canadiana music And that I got to see you perform live at least 3 times. 8)


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28 Aug 2021, 12:59 pm

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Canada now does door-to-door delivery for beer, alcohol, and pot. It can arrive seven days a week, at all hours.

I suppose this is what you're talking about? Not clear whether this would allow somebody to order a bottle of booze at 3AM and expect it delivered within the hour, or why you'd need this. As for weed, I can totally see that because it might be considered medicinal.

Given this thread is about Canada, what I find typically Canadian about this is for a respondent to begin the sentence with "Canada now does..." implying their statement is valid for the entire country. At least compared to the US, where every jurisdiction (can vary county-to-county) has its own laws governing exactly under what circumstances booze can be distributed. Doing some quick research, I discovered that Canada Post will no longer deliver alcohol to your house because that would require verifying the age of the recipient. F2F contact you know.

I am curious though whether the laws in Canada that govern one's ability to deliver alcohol in this manner have changed any since the Pandemic began? This seems at odds with the impression I got the last time I was there, in particular in Quebec. In my county, after the Pandemic began they made it legal for restaurants to deliver mixed drinks to peoples' homes along with meals. I suppose it's possible they'll rescind this if the Pandemic ever ends, although I don't see the point.


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28 Aug 2021, 1:40 pm

Lots of the alcohol delivery is done by private carriers like Uber. You're right, I didn't mean 3:00 a.m., but I did mean that deliveries can be made at night and not just during 9-5 business hours. Pot can be ordered online and delivered seven days a week, even at night. There's a couple days wait time for orders to be processed, but it's still better than having to go to shops or physically enter buildings. From what I've heard, Covid made it easier because pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months. Yes, ID is required at the door to show a person's age. Yes, masks and gloves must be worn.


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28 Aug 2021, 1:45 pm

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...pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months.

There was some controversy here over why liquor stores were considered "essential businesses" when non-essential businesses were closed. Just imagine what would have happened had they been locked down!


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28 Aug 2021, 1:48 pm

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...pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months.

There was some controversy here over why liquor stores were considered "essential businesses" when non-essential businesses were closed. Just imagine what would have happened had they been locked down!


I agree. I don't know the rationale but I guess it keeps alcoholics or heavy drinkers from withdrawal, which could necessitate hospital care and take up a bed. Pot is considered medicinal like a stress medication, so that makes more sense to me.


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28 Aug 2021, 1:51 pm

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Lots of the alcohol delivery is done by private carriers like Uber. You're right, I didn't mean 3:00 a.m., but I did mean that deliveries can be made at night and not just during 9-5 business hours. Pot can be ordered online and delivered seven days a week, even at night. There's a couple days wait time for orders to be processed, but it's still better than having to go to shops or physically enter buildings. From what I've heard, Covid made it easier because pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months. Yes, ID is required at the door to show a person's age. Yes, masks and gloves must be worn.

I really wish we had this in the U.S., at least for pot. Pot is pretty expensive though and taxed heavily in my state, so the delivery costs on top of that would probably suck.



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28 Aug 2021, 1:55 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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...pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months.

There was some controversy here over why liquor stores were considered "essential businesses" when non-essential businesses were closed. Just imagine what would have happened had they been locked down!


I agree. I don't know the rationale but I guess it keeps alcoholics or heavy drinkers from withdrawal, which could necessitate hospital care and take up a bed. Pot is considered medicinal like a stress medication, so that makes more sense to me.

I think denying people access to booze would trigger some seriously violent behavior as well as a rise in criminal activity due to people trying to obtain and supply it illegally. At least our governor must have thought so. I agree. Any sort of prohibition is likely to cause blowback.


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28 Aug 2021, 2:23 pm

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...pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months.

There was some controversy here over why liquor stores were considered "essential businesses" when non-essential businesses were closed. Just imagine what would have happened had they been locked down!


I agree. I don't know the rationale but I guess it keeps alcoholics or heavy drinkers from withdrawal, which could necessitate hospital care and take up a bed. Pot is considered medicinal like a stress medication, so that makes more sense to me.

I think denying people access to booze would trigger some seriously violent behavior as well as a rise in criminal activity due to people trying to obtain and supply it illegally. At least our governor must have thought so. I agree. Any sort of prohibition is likely to cause blowback.


Exactly. Addiction is a medical condition. They can't just force people into abstinence.


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29 Aug 2021, 11:01 pm

MaxE wrote:
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Canada now does door-to-door delivery for beer, alcohol, and pot. It can arrive seven days a week, at all hours.

I suppose this is what you're talking about? Not clear whether this would allow somebody to order a bottle of booze at 3AM and expect it delivered within the hour, or why you'd need this. As for weed, I can totally see that because it might be considered medicinal.

Given this thread is about Canada, what I find typically Canadian about this is for a respondent to begin the sentence with "Canada now does..." implying their statement is valid for the entire country. At least compared to the US, where every jurisdiction (can vary county-to-county) has its own laws governing exactly under what circumstances booze can be distributed. Doing some quick research, I discovered that Canada Post will no longer deliver alcohol to your house because that would require verifying the age of the recipient. F2F contact you know.

I am curious though whether the laws in Canada that govern one's ability to deliver alcohol in this manner have changed any since the Pandemic began? This seems at odds with the impression I got the last time I was there, in particular in Quebec. In my county, after the Pandemic began they made it legal for restaurants to deliver mixed drinks to peoples' homes along with meals. I suppose it's possible they'll rescind this if the Pandemic ever ends, although I don't see the point.


:lol:

3am alcohol delivery is to keep parties going. Typically it's.. grey market operators that deliver at those hours - and at a very premium price for the convenience.

Alcohol sales regulations are Provincial. Alcohol is distributed and sold differently all across Canada, depending on which Province you're in. Different ages, types of products sold at types of locations, prices/taxes etc etc.


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29 Aug 2021, 11:02 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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...pot and alcohol are considered essential services and they were still permitted to operate, even when other retailers were closed for months.

There was some controversy here over why liquor stores were considered "essential businesses" when non-essential businesses were closed. Just imagine what would have happened had they been locked down!


I agree. I don't know the rationale but I guess it keeps alcoholics or heavy drinkers from withdrawal, which could necessitate hospital care and take up a bed. Pot is considered medicinal like a stress medication, so that makes more sense to me.


It was for essential tax revenue generation. Everyone was sitting at home getting sauced, so, governments had to capitalize on that and collect as much alcohol sales tax as possible in order to fund ____ whatever.


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