My neighbor's smoke alarm - what to do?
I'm an aspie that loves NT social interaction. I'm not very good at it but I like arbitrarily wishing people a nice day, saying hello to strangers, making eye contact, hosting BBQs, being touchy-feely and all that stuff. It does make me feel good. I even moved my family in an apartment community so that we'd be surrounded by all kinds of different people. And it's been really fun for the most part.
But my upstairs neighbors have a smoke alarm that goes off often. About once a week, it'll go off for hours on end. I never smell smoke. It'll go off until one of the residents comes home. I've complained to the office about it because I have sensitive hearing and the beeping KILLS my head. But they won't do anything. They say that the residents have to call in a work order. They got really rude with me when I pointed out that this is a noise nuisance so I expect that there's something they can do. Send a letter, you know, SOMETHING. They say no.
I'm not into having a confrontation with the upstairs neighbor. I'm afraid I'll say something to offend and then our lives will be miserable because they'll do things to purposefully make noise. I've been in a lot of positions where I try to make things better by addressing a problem, only to be called a princess and then treated like crap from that moment on. I'd like to stay as anonymous as possible.
So, I was thinking of just calling the fire department the next time the smoke alarm is going off for over an hour. Let them bust down the door to check it out. The expense of replacing the door is on the apartment complex, not the neighbor, and both of them learn the lesson of making sure smoke alarms aren't allowed to beep for hours on end. And chickenshit me gets to stay anonymous.
What do you think?
But my upstairs neighbors have a smoke alarm that goes off often. About once a week, it'll go off for hours on end. I never smell smoke. It'll go off until one of the residents comes home. I've complained to the office about it because I have sensitive hearing and the beeping KILLS my head. But they won't do anything. They say that the residents have to call in a work order. They got really rude with me when I pointed out that this is a noise nuisance so I expect that there's something they can do. Send a letter, you know, SOMETHING. They say no.
I'm not into having a confrontation with the upstairs neighbor. I'm afraid I'll say something to offend and then our lives will be miserable because they'll do things to purposefully make noise. I've been in a lot of positions where I try to make things better by addressing a problem, only to be called a princess and then treated like crap from that moment on. I'd like to stay as anonymous as possible.
So, I was thinking of just calling the fire department the next time the smoke alarm is going off for over an hour. Let them bust down the door to check it out. The expense of replacing the door is on the apartment complex, not the neighbor, and both of them learn the lesson of making sure smoke alarms aren't allowed to beep for hours on end. And chickenshit me gets to stay anonymous.
What do you think?
The noise would make me crazy, too. But there is a downside if you do it this way. The fire department can identify the caller who phones in the alarm. If they put their heads together with the people who know you've complained about this before, they'll know that you knew there was no fire. Thus, you could be charged with calling in a false alarm. I don't know how likely it would be to make such charges stick in a situation like yours; I'm not a lawyer. I do know I wouldn't want to risk it.
Also, I know if it were me, and I figured out what you did, I'd be a lot more annoyed by my door being broken down than by anything you could say. It isn't just an issue of who pays to fix the door. What might get wrecked as the firemen rush in? How quickly would the door get fixed, and might anyone manage to steal anything in the meantime? And it would be a huge inconvenience. Nothing you could possibly say to me would annoy me as much as all that.
But there is another answer. Don't call 911; call the fire department's business number when it's going off, tell them this keeps happening, and you're worried there could be something wrong which might erupt in a fire someday. So, you've been honest with them, you didn't call in an alarm for a fire you knew wasn't happening, and at the same time, they'll probably respond. I doubt they'll break the door down; they're more likely to get a key from the office. But still, this may force the issue. And it wouldn't be as annoying as having the door broken down.
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Yeah, that's a pretty artful and clever solution. A good way to dance the issue.
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Boy, it makes me angry just thinking about this. I have had similar dealings with apartment "management" people and it is very, very extremely frustrated.
Obviously, the person doesn't want to be "proven" wrong by cutting you even an ounce of slack, but they ought to be able to do something. They ought to be able to exercise some skills of gracious recovery. I mean, talk about lack of social skills! It's not just among those of us who are aspie.
you should not have to deceive anyone to have this taken care of. call the fire department's regular number and ask them if this is something to be concerned about. they will probably come and check it out just to be safe. not having a working fire alarm does put you at risk in the event of a real fire. also, i believe it is illegal and can result in a significant fine, depending on where you live.
wornlight and theWanderer are right, if you call the fire department directly about it, it may be the best idea. Explaining that you 'fears' about their malfunctioning fire alarm may work. It may get an angry response towards you anyway if both the apartment office people and the people above you are unreasonable. Although on the other side of things, there is a real danger that a fire could errupt in that apartment and people could ignore the alarm and be in real danger.
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Thank you everyone for your responses.
I think calling the non-emergency number is my best option, too, and I facepalm'd not thinking of it first! Since my husband was a firefighter at this department for over 15 years and I've done significant volunteer photography for them and we live within 1 mile of Station 1, I'm pretty sure I can get someone out here to explain the severity of this situation to the office staff. Additionally, government inspections are coming up next week. There's nothing like having an incident like that on the books when you're trying to prove that everything is up to code.
On the other hand, I'm not concerned about being charged with a false alarm because it wouldn't be a false alarm. My husband was mad that I didn't call the first time it happened, regardless of not smelling smoke. "You're not the smoke smelling expert!" he texted me from work. And he's right. If the office never investigated my complaint and it kept happening, it would be reasonable to call 9-1-1. But, I'm going to try the non-emergency number first. They may require me to call 9-1-1 for an official dispatch but then it would be them telling me to do that... which is more CYA... and the engine would know exactly in what capacity they were being dispatched.
I just really don't like having a one-on-one confrontation with a neighbor. I've had a bad record of communicating issues, apparently, because a lot of times I get called names and things only get worse... and I really swear that I'm being respectful and diplomatic so I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I could send my husband to do the discussion but, again, I'm not sure it'll do much good. I just want the alarm to stop killing my head. These things are only supposed to go off when there's an amount of smoke that could indicate a fire and that's why they're loud and awful.
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Might be in part that you're too diplomatic, too much build up (I have sometimes made that mistake), instead of brief and matter-of-fact and attitude of no big deal.
Still might not work of course. What I learned in poker, you can play a hand exactly like Dan Harrington might recommend and still lose. And this is doubly true for interactions with people, just too complex, fully textured, all that. I mean, people are just funny! Might not get offended for something you think they might, and then all offended for something very similar, even smaller. (I highly recommend poker for social skills, I very much do not recommend it as an attempt to make money, and the biggest reason precisely is this natural variance.)
So, yes, go with your gut. You're feeling good about contacting the regular number of the fire dept, go with that. And besides being a first-rate nuissance, false alarms as pointed out above are a failure of the system and do cause people to take alarms less seriously.
It happened AGAIN so I called the non-emergency number for the fire department and had a good discussion. It happened too late in the day for him to send the fire inspector out - which is what he wants to do. I didn't want him to send the engine out to make a big spectacle because the office people are also off-work so it wouldn't have the impact that it should have. It would just be a waste of resources. Plus, as we both realized at the same time, this particular apartment community is kinda known for having the engines, rescues and police here somewhat regularly for various reasons. So there's already a desensitization to their presence.
While I was on the phone, my neighbor came home and switched off the smoke alarm so an immediate response was a moot point. He decided that he'll send a "fire prevention team" (which is the fire inspector and one of the chiefs) to the office to have a discussion with the office regarding smoke alarm upkeep and how to respond to complaints about potential faulty smoke alarms. It sounds diplomatic, but it's actually very a big deal for this to happen.
He also understands the need for my anonymity (although he personally knows who I am) so he left my name out of it. The office will know based on my previous complaint but it won't be written anywhere that it's actually me.
So yay!
Really like to share this information. If a smoke dector is going off and no one is home call 911 and let the dispatcher know whats going on. rather you know or not. You never sure call 911.
If it gets really bad the firefighter will speak with the home owners to get it fix.
See what happen with me the other night is the smoke dector was going on from 6:30pm i got back about 7:21pm and it was going off... know one was home but we tried knocking feeling heat or smoke. we didn't feel anything... people told me not to call 911..
So i called Non-emgencery number... and they said thank you fro calling cause once the firefighters open there door there was smoke. two more fire trucks came just for back up....
they told me if i am not sure call 911. so you do nothing wrong with calling 911
