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30 Aug 2011, 3:21 pm

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Nerds aren't hated the most, but hipster nerds are. The main difference between a nerd and a hipster nerd is the arrogance. Hipster nerds are smug for no apparent reason (something along the lines of "Because I'm smarter than you, I'm better than you" as if anyone is attracted to inconsistent arrogance) and nerds, although like any group there is variation in behavior, generally don't have the same type of attitude. Hipster nerds are the kinds of dorks that attach themselves to trendy humanitarian causes, as if somehow they actually care about the issue (and in many cases they don't know anything about it, they just want to be the one to carry the flag) If you want to make a difference, then great, Go do something. And for crying out loud, don't self-promote. Someone who ACTUALLY cares isn't going to pat themselves on the back for doing something nice. These people act like it's a civic duty, as if somehow we all are supposed to be doing our part. Well, if we all need to do it, then why do they pat themselves on the back for something they should be doing in the first place? Are they going to congratulate themselves for getting their schoolwork done too? Oh wait, some of them do that too.

Nerds, in the traditional sense, were too ostracized to "make a difference", and they didn't try and pretend to be someone they're not. If you really are an outcast, you can't rally the troops. The quiet ones who work on their computer circuits, or play their guitars, those are the traditional nerds, not these posers who act like they are above it all, but still go to parties and get drunk as if there is a bright red line separating them from the evil jocks, or anyone else who isn't just like them. So it's not the nerds, it's the posers. Unfortunately, there are so many of these idiots running around that nerds as a group get labeled as smug. Nerds aren't smug. Smug nerds are smug. It's not that I'm a huge fan of nerds, or that I am a nerd, I just HATE HIPSTERS.


its sort of a stage in life now for most urbanites, it's disgusting, these unemployed do-nothings who are subsidized by their parents or their arts are self-congratulating morally superior to everyone else. For many, it is a transformative, somewhat religious experience. Because you own a mac and can operate illustrator to make album cover art or movie-editing software to showcase your perspective to the world does not make you a nerd! Your Vegan! You drive a bicycle with a reusable eco-friendly grocery bag to the local whole foods... Your cool... We get it!

That's the thing. A hipster is a pseudo-nerd. You know how there are real alpha males and fake alpha males? Well, with the increase in nerds, and acceptance of nerds, of course there are now going to be fake nerds. At least the fake alpha males had some indication of testicular fortitude. I'd rather have a poor imitation of supposed aggression than a poor imitation of supposed passivity.



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04 Sep 2011, 8:38 am

it seems to me that nerds are the most hated in North America and Mods are the second most hated by their peers. Why else would people call us ret*ds?


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04 Sep 2011, 8:44 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
it seems to me that nerds are the most hated in North America and Mods are the second most hated by their peers. Why else would people call us ret*ds?

The demonstrably defunct behaviour of the children they raise at times.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:26 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
it seems to me that nerds are the most hated in North America and Mods are the second most hated by their peers. Why else would people call us ret*ds?


No one cares about Mods anymore. The sixties are over.


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07 Sep 2011, 6:34 pm

Nerds are not a hated people in general. They are at most envied as people for their intelligence and resulting wealth.


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08 Sep 2011, 5:16 am

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By 'nerd', I mean someone who excels academically and intellectually, whether it be in philosophy, history, math, science, etc, AND also lacks social skills. So most of the kids in the high school I went to who got into the top universities do NOT qualify as 'nerds'. Thats because they had social skills, and most importantly, they were NOT intellectuals. Once they did the necessary work to get A's in their classes, they couldn't care less about learning.

I live in America and grew up here and am curious to know if Europeans in socialist countries show similar views towards nerds as Americans do?

I once heard that nerds are treated as rock stars in Europe, so I'm curious to know how true that statement really is


I'm Italian, that's not a socialist contry, but its culture is unique and difficult to be explained. As a nerd I had good experiences with my peers, because I did their classwork and they were my friends, and bad experience later, because in high school competition was stronger and they would be just better than me, but they almost never succeeded. If they asked me to do their classwork, I would do it, but they preferred to compete. I was sad for this situation.
I often found them boring and I wasn't too interested to their friendship.
When I started university, I had good experiences again. I didn't speak about my accademic successes as I don't speak about my professional successes because if someone wants to be my friend, I prefer he likes Claudia and not her successes or failures.
In Italy it's not polite to speak too much about your successes or your IQ (I don't even know my IQ) unless you're asked to do it.

I'm the type of nerd that likes to learn and I didn't care so much to get A's. I studied on my own and often i read books that where not about the same topic I had to study for school purposes.
No, no one trated me as a rockstar...



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27 Oct 2011, 7:24 pm

Ireland here:
I can only go on what I see on TV for comparison but there seems to be a hatred of intelligence by some in the US. And a Lot of bulling. In Ireland people don't like boring people much whether they are athletic or good looking and the love interesting, crazy, eccentric, funny people. If your can play an instrument, sing, tell a story or are funny you in. Otherwise you're more tolerated. Certain forms of education were illegal while the Neighbors "visited" so we might have a different attitude to it. But I haven't even as an aspie seen the levels of abuse nerds receive elsewhere.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:02 pm

Pedophiles and terrorists are probably most hated in America.



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01 Nov 2011, 10:00 am

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Pedophiles and terrorists are probably most hated in America.

Lawl, exactly. Terrorists a close second after paedophiles I think. Terrorists capture the imagination of NTs by giving people an enemy to shoot who has no sense of remorse. With paedophiles it's just a case of gut-wrenching uncivility that makes people's eyes go red with fury.



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02 Nov 2011, 5:36 am

I can report from France: NERD NIGHTMARE.

Bullying in school is just horrible here. I find americans quite friendly and I'm always suprised that there is so many bullying in this country.