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20 Jan 2012, 7:14 am

The term intellectual disability refers to a learning disability or mental retardation, imho. That doesn't describe AS at all, unless we are talking about social learning. Many aspies are gifted and some have genius-level IQs, so AS is definitely no disability in the intellectual / IQ department.



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20 Jan 2012, 7:24 am

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I am certainly not intellectually disabled. That is most able aspect of my being (a stark contrast with the emotional and social).The terminology is bunk.


I entirely agree with this. If there is anything about me that works satisfactory, it is my intellect and my ability to reason (as far as I can tell anyway).



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20 Jan 2012, 7:29 am

the reason that this label doesnt bother me is this:so little is known about the true meaning of autism that the meaning of autism will be re defined many times before the medical community gets it right.this label is just a bump in the road right now.also false beliefs about people with trysomy disorders are being re thought as well and many colleges now have special programs for people with downs and such.people are starting to understand people with mental redardation just learn differently.


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20 Jan 2012, 6:04 pm

First of all, this accusation seems to come out of nowhere. Nobody referred to in the beginning of this thread mislabeled any group as intellectually disabled. This back and forth seems baseless.

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people are starting to understand people with mental redardation just learn differently.


That's a lie to conceal the inequitable truth.



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20 Jan 2012, 6:19 pm

dalurker wrote:
First of all, this accusation seems to come out of nowhere. Nobody referred to in the beginning of this thread mislabeled any group as intellectually disabled. This back and forth seems baseless.

vermontsavant wrote:
people are starting to understand people with mental redardation just learn differently.


That's a lie to conceal the inequitable truth.
what truth am i trying to conceal with a lie


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20 Jan 2012, 6:25 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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It is an intellectual disability. Don't take the term so seriously kids.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

Aspergers is NOT an intellectual disability.


It's a developmental disorder with pervasive social impairments. It's an intellectual disability.


No, its a development disorder ( which should not be used as an euphemism for retardation) with pervasive social impairments. It's not an intellectual disabity.


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20 Jan 2012, 11:24 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
dalurker wrote:
First of all, this accusation seems to come out of nowhere. Nobody referred to in the beginning of this thread mislabeled any group as intellectually disabled. This back and forth seems baseless.

vermontsavant wrote:
people are starting to understand people with mental redardation just learn differently.


That's a lie to conceal the inequitable truth.
what truth am i trying to conceal with a lie


That not all have the same chances to succeed. Not all have the capacity to learn and complete things to the same extent and pace. There's no "different learning". That no matter how hard some try to do stuff, they won't catch up to others with higher aptitude than them. That there is extreme disparity in intellectual capacity. An injustice that is known but some want to gloss over.



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20 Jan 2012, 11:32 pm

Regarding those who are mentally ret*d, some my simply learn differently and score low on IQ tests and suffer due to that, but most mentally ret*d people probably really do have a lower mental capacity.


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21 Jan 2012, 9:28 am

ok,i never said everyone has an equal chance for succes today or even anytime soon.however research into how people with mental retardation learn is greatly helping and vastly improving.your taking my words out of context.yes colleges are offering special programs an people with downs syndrome are graduating from college and that is a fact.i never said there was a panacea for all intectual,developmental and learing defecits.i would suggest people read what i write before calling me a liar


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21 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
ok,i never said everyone has an equal chance for succes today or even anytime soon.however research into how people with mental retardation learn is greatly helping and vastly improving.your taking my words out of context.yes colleges are offering special programs an people with downs syndrome are graduating from college and that is a fact.i never said there was a panacea for all intectual,developmental and learing defecits.i would suggest people read what i write before calling me a liar


I know what you wrote. I know what you were trying to convince others of with sugar-coated language. I've seen it before. What such research exists? What improvements are there? Mental capacity is still indispensable to learning and doing tasks, regardless of such research. Why not think of the research to discern the causes and neurological aspects of intellectual disabilities, and that it could be part of devising a way to cure them in the future with newer methods? How many with down syndrome are really graduating from college with special programs, not just going through remedial coursework?



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21 Jan 2012, 2:43 pm

Ganondox wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
It is an intellectual disability. Don't take the term so seriously kids.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

Aspergers is NOT an intellectual disability.

actually it is:
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Specific learning disability is a classification including several disorders in which a person has difficulty learning in a typical manner, usually caused by an unknown factor or factors. This is not indicative of intelligence level. Rather, people with a learning disability have trouble performing specific types of skills or completing tasks if left to figure things out by themselves or if taught in conventional ways. Dyslexia is a well known example of such disorders. A learning disability cannot be cured or fixed. Individuals with learning disabilities can face unique challenges that are often pervasive throughout the lifespan. Social support can be a crucial component for students with learning disabilities in the school system. With the right support and intervention, people with learning disabilities can succeed in school and be successful later in life.



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22 Jan 2012, 5:54 am

@dalurker.the only point was that worrying about how people define autism is pointless because it is constantly being re defined anyway.yes your right the college programs i was talking were more specialized programs than actual bachalor degrees.the point was that that doctors and teachers are becoming more opened minded.the same changes will eventualy come with autism too.if you want to call that a sugar coated lie be my guest.look dude i dont know what else to tell you.look up patriciaebauer.com they have info on those college programs


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04 Feb 2012, 12:40 am

I wonder if HHS would change their terminology if they found out that I've had to protect President Obama twice on presidential visits? Ooops! There goes my promotion to lieutenant colonel!