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HerrGrimm
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28 Jun 2011, 6:53 pm

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well i think that free speech gives me the right to say whatever.


No, it does not. That is blatantly false. Look up any book on the First Amendment and it will tell you what you can and cannot say.

Do you understand what you did? You just admitted you were participating in criminal activity or planned to. YOU ADMITTED IT WAS ILLEGAL. You stated that you planned to act as a terrorist essentially. You should have no credibility by now towards your effort. It is now blatantly obvious what your goal is. Your actions remind me of David Lane and his efforts to start a race war. Unbelievable...


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28 Jun 2011, 6:57 pm

You're right Aspie48 - you do have the right to say whatever you like... even if it criminally implicates you. The right to say whatever you like in not protection from the law when those words are an admission of guilt... That is why miranda rights implicitly give you the right to remain silent... :roll:

Law enforcement LOVES social media. Just making their jobs easier...



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28 Jun 2011, 7:03 pm

i think you are making a big deal out of nothing. as of now in our society my life is worthless i can do whatever i like because it doesn't lower me. I just think that it is a shame that autistic people were reduced as such and i think i am making progress towards the only light of hope. it is obvious to me that i must bring others down to put myself up. thats how our economy and society works. its not particularly "illegal" i am doing what every other respectable businessman does. hacking is an honorable occupation. for all you know i could be an ethical hacker being paid for hacking peoples systems for security tests. hacking is a good skill and i am teaching it to people who are like me because i feel like doing them a favor.



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28 Jun 2011, 7:08 pm

Is it just me, or did ci, draelynn, and me all agree on the same issue? My Print Screen is not big enough to get all this if true.

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i think you are making a big deal out of nothing. as of now in our society my life is worthless i can do whatever i like because it doesn't lower me.


Well, you said you were 15, so this might be some phase...which just so happens requires soap-on-a-rope and a jumpsuit. You are much too young to be even thinking about this kind of stuff, and I do not think you understand the gravity of what you are saying.


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28 Jun 2011, 7:18 pm

i said nothing illegal distribution is ok and so is possession and collecting cash for distribution is ok i didnt say anything.



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28 Jun 2011, 7:20 pm

i will edit my previous posts if they mislead.



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28 Jun 2011, 9:04 pm

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i will edit my previous posts if they mislead.


I see you edited your post; everyone is giving you correct advice. The government does monitor the internet for exactly what you posted. The Patriot act gives the Governent a right to confiscate computer equipment, if they have a reason to believe an individual has the potential to engage in illegal hacking to disrupt Computer systems or are seen as a threat to the general public. Your rhetoric about doing whatever you can to bring down NT society, is a red flag to anyone monitoring potential threats.

Ideas of why you think you are special and better than others is protected by free speech and allowed, but the Patriot Act allows the government a great deal of flexibility in dealing what they may determine as potential threats.

As an example, I went to an Aspergers support group meeting, and there was an individual there that was making the same kind of statements you have been making here. Someone called the FBI, and his computer equipment was confiscated, and it brought attention to fact that his parents were delinquent on paying their taxes, so it got them in trouble, more than the young man. The young man made no admission to guilt of illegal activity in the meeting, he just kept expressing anger at society, what you call the "NT"'s, wanting to bring them down; that was all it took for an FBI visit.

Please read my previous post if you will. This whole us against them attitude, is the source of the kind of hatred that brings harm to innocent people that have absolutely nothing to do with a person's individual problems.

If you truly do have a supreme amount of intelligence, use that rationality, to separate yourself from the emotion of believing you are in a tiny minority of people that everyone else is against.

Everyone is different, some people give us problems in life, but most people across the whole human spectrum deal with this kind of stuff to some degree on a day to day basis. I'm sorry if it is worse for you and your situation, but it's not everyone else's fault. If someone told you that, please don't believe it, most people have serious struggles in life.

All that said, It doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you a person that may have problems. Find support where you can, an attitude that you want to bring other groups of people down, is a dangerous one, possibly more for you than others.

The first step is to acknowledge that you have made a mistake; you edited your previous post, but still sound proud that you are distributing software that others can use to illegally hack. If I were you I would never talk about anything you are associated with that has illegal implications on the internet again and never talk about bringing any group down again; you don't have to do anything illegal to get a visit from the FBI. It's up to their interpretation on whether or not they see you as a potential threat. Whatever you post on an internet site can be used as physical evidence.

Everyone here seems like they are trying to help you with this. Please listen to our advice.



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28 Jun 2011, 9:50 pm

I had just had a meeting today about political and social advocacy risk management and a big part of it had to do with criminal \ terrorist threats. It happens with the abortion issue and in general anti-societal philosophies. It is my opinion advocacy that intends to constructively achieve life changing results must be socially separate from these political issues which at times manifest philosophies threatening or even conducting illegal activities. Not only is it when it does manifest a risk to the public but innocent individuals who do not share these beliefs and of whom are many times unaware of the activities of those who happen to be diagnostically similar somehow.


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28 Jun 2011, 11:21 pm

@aspie48

I checked out your website and found the article about TV watching interesting. I have also speculated about the effects of too much stimulation starting in the 1980's and accelerating through the current day, causing problems for people that don't have the more disabling symptoms of Autism.

Introverts are more sensitive to effects of Dopamine, and TV is an explosion of fireworks as compared to what it was not too many decades ago. And then there are the social aspect of TV, our mirror neurons when working properly, as current research suggests they do, are highly activated by the vicarious activity of watching TV. So, it is a social activity, but not an interactive one, like real life.

You are one of the first young people I have seen that suggests this. It appears you have potential to do good things in the future. I am concerned though, about the comments on your website about using the recent hacking attacks by the young man in the UK, that is facing jail time, as an example of what people with Autism should do to fight back against people who are not autistic.

There are alot of impressionable young people out there that might take it seriously and get in the same kind of trouble that the young man in the UK is in. Why waste a future over something like this? The government has extremely advanced methods of detecting this kind of thing; I state this clearly here, because you present this link, and there are impressionable people here that don't need to go down a road that might lead them to jail.

There are many people with traits of Autism, that have found their niche in society in engineering, computers, science, and other fields that allow them to seamlessly blend into society. In general they don't concern themselves with who is different then they are because they have managed to find a place that works for them. You are only 15, school can be a hard place, but if you can find your niche in the world after school, you may find that your concerns today were just a distant memory that you may be able to accommodate well, into your future.

There is no way any group of people is going to change society as a whole. We live in a heterogenous society of many fragmented segments of culture. Extremely complex and hard for any one group to wrap their minds around. It's not possible for culture to gain a common way when the people that constitute it are as diverse as they are in the US.

It's key to one's future not to get into trouble with the law at a young age; it can prevent one from getting a good education and limit avenues of success in life. A worthwhile effort is to help your friends with Aspergers achieve positive things in life, with constructive efforts. The study you and your friends did on TV is something positive that could help other Autistic people; this is an example of the kind of constuctive effort can get you and your friends somewhere in life. Use your intelligence for the positive, not the negative useless path.

A war against a world that is consumed with it's own problems, is of absolutely no value. If you are angry at people use that energy to exercise and get as healthy as you can, make it work for you, not against you.



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29 Jun 2011, 2:06 am

Mr. Aghogday if you lived near me you'd have a position offered to you in public relations of some sort in the coming years.


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29 Jun 2011, 12:36 pm

y'all need to calm down. distribution and possession of hacking software are not illegal as i have stated more times than i want to state. the closest i have gotten to hacking is port scanning and thats not even illegal unless you hack the person after you do it or if you do damage to their computers. and the penalty for malicious port scanning is like a $15 fine in my state, and i wasn't even malicious because i no damages or hacking



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29 Jun 2011, 1:43 pm

8) :idea: :!:

How about not justifying criminal activity at the same as saying you are immune to the law. What you deleted was essentially a short version of a manifesto. Playing on words to scare people about your activities does not necessary denote guilt but is not politically a good way to enhance your beliefs. Criminals at times will say odd things to get attention to promote their beliefs. Such as threats or suggestions of illegal actions. The immature expressions of advocates and the mixing of sensitive issues such as abortion if not properly separated from other advocacy has a great potential of ruining progress for others. It is my belief it is possible others taint advocacy by doing these things to undermine real progress as they might be paid off or receive some kind of compensation somehow to ruin autism advocacy. Such as guilting the public about autism abortion and asking for tax-payer money for social services for otherwise what seems to be very high functioning individuals. The public does not understand the diversity of autism and bad public relations policy creates messes which might be intentional as a special interest strategy by antiabortion, other political groups and other interest. That's why some people should be ignored unless they straighten up so as to protect others.


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29 Jun 2011, 1:50 pm

well sir im not an autism advocate as such so i don't think your argument counts



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29 Jun 2011, 2:00 pm

Fib! 8)


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29 Jun 2011, 2:28 pm

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y'all need to calm down. distribution and possession of hacking software are not illegal as i have stated more times than i want to state. the closest i have gotten to hacking is port scanning and thats not even illegal unless you hack the person after you do it or if you do damage to their computers. and the penalty for malicious port scanning is like a $15 fine in my state, and i wasn't even malicious because i no damages or hacking


Again it's not the talk about hacking that is the problem, it is the talk about bringing segments of society down, supporting illegal activities of others, suggesting that illegal activity is justified and suggesting that others follow in the footsteps of those that are participating in illegal activity, that is the problem. You've got the freedom of speech to talk about all these things. It's your decision, on whether or not be concerned about who might be listening and what the potential results might be later on down the line. We are completely calm here, offering what we think is good advice. If you don't believe us, research it, and find out if there is need for concern. If you care to research the topic, I suggest you start with the Patriot Act.



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29 Jun 2011, 2:43 pm

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aspie48 wrote:
y'all need to calm down. distribution and possession of hacking software are not illegal as i have stated more times than i want to state. the closest i have gotten to hacking is port scanning and thats not even illegal unless you hack the person after you do it or if you do damage to their computers. and the penalty for malicious port scanning is like a $15 fine in my state, and i wasn't even malicious because i no damages or hacking


Again it's not the talk about hacking that is the problem, it is the talk about bringing segments of society down, supporting illegal activities of others, suggesting that illegal activity is justified and suggesting that others follow in the footsteps of those that are participating in illegal activity, that is the problem. You've got the freedom of speech to talk about all these things. It's your decision, on whether or not be concerned about who might be listening and what the potential results might be later on down the line. We are completely calm here, offering what we think is good advice. If you don't believe us, research it, and find out if there is need for concern. If you care to research the topic, I suggest you start with the Patriot Act.

well you are probably right... I still hate NTs though. the problem with bringing down society is that there are aspergers people who coexist with NTs so most of it is just talk. what you need to keep in mind when talking to me is that I am only sane half the time anyway. Can't really remember half the things mentioned although I do remember the post that misled people, I think I pretty much admitted that the post was stupid and misleading so argument over.