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22 Apr 2008, 11:28 am

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Religious morons who think that Atheism is Nihilism need a swift kick it the nuts.

Thank goodness I'm a girl then :lol:

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22 Apr 2008, 11:33 am

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I like the fact that i don't have santa oh i mean "god" telling me how to live my life.

Yeah, like Santa has so much to do with God :roll:

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22 Apr 2008, 1:10 pm

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I'm highly atheist.

I wish there was a religion where you don't know, and don't care, and don't want to know, or care.

There is such a religion! It's called Apathy ... and Laziness. If weren't for these two, you might not be an atheist.

I consider myself an apathetic agnostic. I make no judgement as to whether or not there are god(s), and I don't care. Not because I'm lazy, but because:
1) I think each of us knows the difference between right and wrong and has a general sense of fairness
2) I doubt the existance of god(s) would affect me on a day to day basis.

I see these results from life and death:
- God(s) exist and are fair: I should be treated just like a believer that exhibits the same moral behavior.
- God(s) don't exist: We all get treated the same no matter what.
- God(s) aren't fair: No one has any idea what happens.

So I don't really see any reason to concern myself as to the existance of god(s).

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22 Apr 2008, 1:20 pm

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- God(s) exist and are fair: I should be treated just like a believer that exhibits the same moral behavior.

Big misconception.

Fair does NOT mean treating everyone absolutely equally, it means everyone is treated according to certain things.

Someone help me? I know what I mean, I'm just hopeless at explaining things.

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22 Apr 2008, 1:37 pm

OP

Why should God care about an apathetic person and show His divine mercy? God's love is unconditional. It's not His love you must earn but your own salvation. Salvation has to be earned while interacting with other human beings. Demonstrate why you don't deserve to go Hell. (If you say you don't believe in Hell, that's because you haven't experienced it yet.)

If you don't care about God, how can you give a damn about your fellow man? And would they care about you? Apathetic agnostic is the worst cop-out I've ever heard. Better to be passionate about anything.

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22 Apr 2008, 1:44 pm

EDIT: Accidental double post. Full contents below.

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22 Apr 2008, 2:03 pm

Greyhound wrote:

t0 wrote:

- God(s) exist and are fair: I should be treated just like a believer that exhibits the same moral behavior.

Big misconception.

Fair does NOT mean treating everyone absolutely equally, it means everyone is treated according to certain things.

I didn't say equally - I said equal with a believer that exhibits the same moral behavior. I believe that's the measuring stick that most theistic religions use, is it not? What I'm saying is that I don't believe that "belief" in the right God(s) gives you any points on your test.

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If you don't care about God, how can you give a damn about your fellow man?

I don't understand what one has to do with the other. My fellow man lives amongst me and affects my daily life. My fellow man communicates with me and forges relationships. Of course I care about my fellow man.

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Apathetic agnostic is the worst cop-out I've ever heard. Better to be passionate about anything.

I am passionate about other things. The apathy is towards "figuring out if there are god(s)." Imagine how much good the people of this planet could do if they stopped asking that question or fighting over the right answer.

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22 Apr 2008, 2:45 pm

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Atheism is to nihilism what exotic dancer is to crack-whore. It's not a big reach.

Your bigotry is showing. I am a perfectly moral person, thank you very much. I don't need the fear of eternal damnation to be a good person. Atheism is simply the lack of (a-) the belief in a divinity (-theism), no other philosophical positions are implied.

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22 Apr 2008, 2:46 pm

Greyhound wrote:

REM wrote:

I like the fact that i don't have santa oh i mean "god" telling me how to live my life.

Yeah, like Santa has so much to do with God :roll:

God is pretty much Santa for adults.

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22 Apr 2008, 2:48 pm

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If you don't care about God, how can you give a damn about your fellow man? And would they care about you? Apathetic agnostic is the worst cop-out I've ever heard. Better to be passionate about anything.

So in your mind only believers can be altruistic? Your bigotry is showing again...

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22 Apr 2008, 2:57 pm

Odin wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Atheism is to nihilism what exotic dancer is to crack-whore. It's not a big reach.

But what is good? If we judge it based on other men, we would all be good.

Ask the liar, he'll say he's good because he's not a thief.

A thief would say he's good because he's not a murder.

The murderer would say he's good cause at least he's not a rapist.

The rapist would say he's could because at least he did not lie.

See, in order to tell what is really "good" we need to have something that gives us an objective view of what "good" is.

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22 Apr 2008, 3:23 pm

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But what is good? If we judge it based on other men, we would all be good.
...
See, in order to tell what is really "good" we need to have something that gives us an objective view of what "good" is.

If the God(s) would reveal themselves to me and give me the objective view of what "good" is, I would follow it. Instead, I am left with two choices: believe other peoples' interpretations of what is good, or believe my own gut feeling.

I choose the latter.

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22 Apr 2008, 4:16 pm

t0 wrote:

morning_after wrote:

But what is good? If we judge it based on other men, we would all be good.
...
See, in order to tell what is really "good" we need to have something that gives us an objective view of what "good" is.

But what if they have, and it's in the bible?

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22 Apr 2008, 4:52 pm

I'm certainly not going to base my morals on what someone else says they should be, no matter what book it's written in. I don't see how any reasoning person can have absolute faith in the words of a book that has been re-written and mistranslated countless times over the centuries. Even if the Bible was, at some point in the past, the Word Of God, it has since been touched by the hands of the fallible so many times that it itself must be flawed beyond recognition. It's much safer to trust my own instincts and listen to the voice of logic than to believe what someone else tells me to believe.

The lives and minds of the living are much more holy than any scripture could ever hope to be.

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22 Apr 2008, 5:17 pm

And before someone mentions that the Bible is a load of fairytales, please first study the prophecies which have been fulfilled and are being fulfilled (and are about to be fulfilled).

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22 Apr 2008, 5:38 pm

Indeed. Prophecies. Fulfilled, none. Being fulfilled, none. About to be fulfilled, none. Clean record.

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