a plan to destroy autism speaks

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heh, so I'm not the only one noticing that then. I just love how he uses italics to emphasize that sarcastic tone too. By the way, I wonder why he's telling me to talk to you about the issue instead of the administrator who would actually have that answer? Unless you're Alex and living a double life, it makes no sense.

And me, too. I don't understand why he passes you on to me regarding who funds who. Hahaha... Though, apparently, Plank loves to keep his mouth shut, so he does exactly what his masters at Autism Speaks do: be hands-off and lets his henchmen do the dirty work for him. And Cornflake, sadly, isn't effectively doing his job as a "muttawa" in protecting his superior's mandate.

Can Godwin's law be amended to now include references to not only Nazi's but also to Fundamentalist Extremist Muslim Police?

I'm just saying....

Dude, if Autism Speaks really were Nazi's or the criminal organization that you credit it with being, you would have already been rounded up and probably found in a river by now. It's not criminal. You may not like it, you may disagree with it wholeheartedly, it may make it philosophically corrupt in your opinion, but it doesn't make it criminal.

What laws have the broken?

With all due respect to you, OliveOilMom, I am very lucky that I am not among those autistics being murdered solely on the basis of being autistic. That criminal organisation was founded in 2005, and I was born before they even existed.

Laws broken? The reason I called them vicious is that they act more treacherously than the Mafia -- at least, the Mafia were overt in some ways, but Autism Speaks incites to genocide and eugenics as covertly as they can. Like I have said before, advocating prenatal testing as a precursor to murder autistic babies, inciting to murder autistics who are already born into this world, removing autism from the human genome, and using deception and misrepresentation to fatten their already bloated wallets -- what else could be more insidious than that criminal group known to everyone as Autism Speaks?

Again, for OliveOilMom, I was just reiterating my statements, in response to yours. Though, you have some good points on that. Unlike some scoundrels who resort to ad hominem and sarcasm to bash those who don't agree to their terms.

None of those break any laws though. How are they a criminal organization?

As for the abortion factor, I'm against aborting for something like that, however I do support legalized abortion because it's the only way to get the baby out of the woman's body at that time. It's her body that the baby is in, and she was there first, so I support her right to have it removed when she wants before viability and for whatever reason she wants although I may find it reprehensible. Setting paramaters within the dates to get abortion is one thing, but setting reasons for it is another. If someone wants an abortion badly enough she can lie about her reasons, and many would if that was their only way to get the abortion.

Abortion is a very different ball of wax and I have an idea that I think would stop the (perceived) need for it, but thats neither here nor there.

They may not go about their advertising or anything in that vein, to suit you, but the fact is that they see low functioning autism as a bad thing to have and want to find something that will cure that. While there can be plenty of conjecture about what low functioning autistics want or do not want, no one can speak for all of them. Despite the name they chose, I don't think they really believe they are speaking for everyone, only those who cant speak for themselves and who also want a cure.

As I've said before, I seriously doubt that any poster here would be the type of autistic that they would be concerned with trying to cure. Why not reserve judgement until we see what type of solution they come up with?

While I don't advocate aborting based on a high percentage that the kid will be autistic, I support the womans right to choose that because of the simple fact that the baby is in her body at the time. Abortion is the only way to get it out before a certain GA.

ETA; Can you provide cites of autistics murdered by autism speaks simply because they are autistic please?

Well, OliveOilMom, I guess our stances on abortion is quite different. I am not exactly in favour of abortion except in extreme cases. But abortion on the basis of autism alone is something I am definitely not in favour of, and Autism Speaks is setting a precedent that if your baby is autistic as seen in the womb, it is good to put them (the baby) to death.

Their perception on low-functioning autism is vilifying at best, and it insults others on the spectrum, regardless of their degree of function. They are using their muscle to portray autism as if it were the most insidious disease known to man, and must be eradicated as soon as possible, hence the premise of misinformation. Of course, some people will believe them, and Autism Speaks takes advantage of the opportunity to defraud such people by soliciting donations, most of which goes into the pockets of the people running the black propaganda.

I didn't say that the vile group known as Autism Speaks murdered them directly. As I might have said already, they are a "hands-off" group, meaning they let others do the dirty work for them. For one, they pioneer in inciting to murder people with autism and experiment unorthodox "cures" that endanger autistics' lives, and incitement to do crime is by itself a criminal offence under most laws. I've read stories on autistics being murdered solely on the basis of their autism, and however sad it may be, most of these crimes were very unnecessary, and no thanks to the black propaganda issued by that criminal group, autistics continue to suffer vilification in the hands of the very people who are supposed to support them.

Autism Speaks is rated as one of the top Brand Names in America, per the 9th volume of an organization comprised of marketing professionals that analyze top brands in Amerca.

http://www.americasgreatestbrands.com/volume9/html/AutismSpeaks.html

The organization is rated as having a reputation among the American public as being a trusted one.

Autism Speaks is reviewed as a case study of Great American Brand Names on the website:

http://www.americasgreatestbrands.com/volume9/assets/AGB%20pdfs/AGB%20AutismSpeaksv9.pdf



There are some actual businesses that create controversy for brand name recognition, however that is not normally a goal of a non-profit organization. It would be considered an inappropriate means of advertisement.

However, those controversial advertisements are created here unwittingly, in topic threads that stay highlighted near the top of discussion boards.

It's highly unlikely that most are going to take the time to read through these threads to determine a personal decision on whether or not to support autism speaks. But the emotive titles of the topics, are attention grabbers, like this one "A plan to destroy autism speaks".

Instead of reading through a whole thread, it is easy enough to do a Google search to determine what the phrase autism speaks means if one has not heard of it before, or if one has heard about it and wants to find out objective information about the organization, beyond random opinions, in a highlighted controversial thread.

When one does a Google search on the term autism speaks, what comes back is mostly rave reviews of the organization, because of the positive following the organization has across the US.

Autism Speaks Google Search

There is only one negative hit on the page, and the author of that negative hit, "Can We Trust Autism Speaks", headlines the comments from the public at the bottom of the author's opinion with: "Think of the Children Parents! Those poor, pathetic Parents!"

Not likely that many individuals who are a parent or loves a parent is going to take the article seriously when they see the header of the comments section. However it did inspire quite a few parents to leave positive comments on the Autism Speaks organization, per the article. I'll have to give credit to the Op of the article, because many blog authors per this topic, will delete comments that don't agree with the Op.

Unfortunately those that offer their opinions against the organization in the comments section use emotive curse words, and emotive phrases like evil or NAZI organization that don't provide any constructive criticism of the organization. They are basically parroted comments similar to the ones you have provided on the topic, which are fairly easy to see through for anyone seeking actual evidence of transgression associated with the organization.

Prospective parents, parents of children with autism, and those whom support the concerns of families of individuals with autism, are the target audiences that Autism Speaks depends on for financial support. Individuals with autism are not a part of a target audience for donations, they are the audience that the organization seeks to help. And, there are a great many resources on the Autism Speaks website that are valuable for individuals with Autism.

While some of the negative emotive comments made here about an organization that is attempting to provide help to individuals with autism may resonate among some with autism, it's not a message that resonates among those that are concerned that autism is a serious condition that merits research, as well as financial support, among those in the general public that browse these forums.

There is a potential Autism Speaks target audience that no one can see here, because they are neither members or post to the threads, but they exist in the hundreds and thousands in the background scanning topics on this site every minute of every day.

If they haven't heard of the phrase Autism Speaks, and the topic phrases have enough emotive power to grab someone's attention, it's another phrase to Google for one's own private research.

If you would like to see the actual responses from people in the general public to the website on that first Google page, for those that arrive on that page searching for the key phrase Autism Speaks, a look at the comments is interesting per that one negative website that can be viewed by clicking this Autism Speaks Google Search.

One can see the emotive comments of hatred without evidence, and the calm comments of praise associated with the beneficial characteristics of the organization for those that see it as a trusted brand name.

All that said, the witting purpose of this thread is to discuss a plan to destroy autism speaks. It's interesting to see what happens per a similar topic, in a different context of the web, where all points of view are allowed, with what appears to be no moderation by the author.

It appears that the young woman that authored the site, has sincere intentions per her analysis of the organization, but per the comments on that website, the emotive messages are resulting in positive Autism Speaks feedback, per the target audience that autism speaks seeks to reach to fund their mission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#United_States

There is absolutely no evidence that Autism Speaks pioneers in Incitement to murder people with autism and experiment unorthodox "cures" that endanger autistic lives.

Nor is there any evidence that Autism Speaks lets others do the dirty work for them, associated with anyone being murdered.

However, there is a potential that statements in writing that the organization is a criminal group, when no evidence of any crimes by the organization has been presented, could be viewed as libelous, when the fact that the organization has not been charged with any crimes has been made clear, and the fact the organization meets standards per third party watch groups has been evidenced.

You are potentially fortunate that this accusation is clearly baseless, and serves no purpose of significance to likely harm the organization's reputation, or fiscal health, per the laws that exist associated with defamation, per the link above.

Obviously you are not too concerned about it and that it is your business, since you alone are responsible for your posts here, but hopefully no one reading here, young and impressionable, will follow your example in another context with another organization or person, that might more likely result in consequences.

There are some examples of individuals that have faced these consequences in other contexts per this general issue of defamation on the web in public forums.

you have no proof to call aghogday a liar and i suggest you dont do that again.i will not call you a liar because i have no proof plus i think you realy believe your twisted speech.i will call your posts delusional

Oh, aghogday, is that a threat I hear from? That is so classic. My hands and feet are shaking, yeah. I'm scared -- not!

Do I have to say again in plain words, without the TL;DR nonsense like you are doing, that the fraudsters known as Autism Speaks have actually poisoned your mind? Clearly, you are becoming a spokesperson -- admit it or not, your posts say that you are one. Fruitless as some may perceive to be, you cannot stop me from blaring the horn that your favourite organisation is a massive fraud. It is no surprise that your Autism Speaks is no different from any other corporation in America -- with efficiency in brutality, deception, and fraud. I'm surprised, though, that your corporation is a "Best Brand." How much did they pay the people behind "Great American Brand Names"? Just like what they, as do any other desperately vain corporation, do with the BBB? No wonder the BBB is not reputable among many enlightened American consumers.

And yes, I agree with you that paranoid parents and supporters are sources of money for fraudsters like Autism Speaks. Not surprising, given the strategies they make -- black propaganda, con artistry -- kind of reminds me of Nigerian 419.

And back to your threat: I am not scared. Silence me, and you are proving my case right. Fight me, and it only makes things worse. Yes, the group of which you are a fan-boy has no criminal case -- well, none yet, which is disappointing, but unsurprising. Its black propaganda and its advocacy for unorthodox "cures" is quite enough to call it a criminal organisation. Though, people are waiting for it to make a wrong move, which I, concerned that I am, would suggest you warn your idols about at the Autism Mafia.

There will always be people reading this thread, and your empty threats do not scare me. Bring it on! This time, it's war!

Has the KKK been mentioned yet? Iluminati?

Whatever. Call me "delusional" and all than nonsense, I can take that. You people not using your brains is something I cannot take. But under no circumstances will I stop from standing up to others for my principles, and whether you believe it or not is your own affair.

Oh, by the way, I just presented a hard fact that aghogday contradicted himself, and I have proof he actually did. Look it up in my previous posts, and aghogday, being the real word-twister that he is, diverts from the subject with TL;DR blabber about his masters at Autism Speaks.

Well, I am not sure if it has; the Illuminati, though, hadn't crossed my mind. Either way, those cons at Autism Speaks is far lesser than the KKK or the Illuminati.

I don't have time to read through all the responses here, but I don't see why anyone is being called deluded... I see bad manners but not delusion.....

There are some very cut and dry points against autism speaks. Alison Tepper was obviously an unlikable leader, with her statements about wishing to murder her autistic child.......... I think this is what imperious dork might be getting at in part? This kind of mentality that autism is a deadly terrible disease and it must be eradicated from this world. This sort of mentality is sometimes communicated subtly through artificial commercials and silencing critics.[

I'll admit this conversation hasn't been overly civil but I don't see what the confusion is about.

Edit: edited bold - not sure if my post makes sense but whatever

Last edited by heavenlyabyss on 19 Jun 2012, 7:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

Agreed, but this is rather "civil" compared to how bad it can usually get. If there's one thing guaranteed with any forum with Autistics on it is that, mention Autism Speaks = instant drama.

so your saying autism speaks is less evil then the kkk or illuminati but just as evil as the nazi's or mafia or yakuza

your logic is perplexing