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I don't feel threatened. I just think it would be unwise if I went along with threats of that kind of nature. It would not be good for public advocacy that I do nor do I believe criminality has a place in autism advocacy.
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It all depends how you define criminality. Hacking software companies have successfully lobbied congress to basically legalize hacking. messing around is legal until someone can prove conclusively that you caused damage.
Any grey area where we have to get into a vague philosophical discussion like this.
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well then its not illegal in a legal sense you just wouldn't risk it because you must be a risk adverse person but thats just your lifestyle and i respect that. i say that as long as it is within the parameters of the law i would define that as being "legal".
Yes. I do not even think ASAN would associate with it. No leadership other then that of the troubled attention seekers would play with such justification philosophies. It is the ethical thing in leadership to teach by leading with example. To endorse and even somehow indirectly agree with such illegal behaviors is irresponsible, reckless and unprofessional and should be denounced no matter the side on other issues.
Advocates do not openly speak against threats of violence and cyber criminality by people with autism as they would likely seek to ignore such a reality within self-advocacy for public image reasons. I on the other hand have seen such words of potential violence and with cyber criminality justifications as reasons to further establish a more credible leadership philosophy and premise by speaking against it. Some of the things that have been said are the perfect example in advocacy of how not to advocate, co-exist with the world as it is and with constructive passion establish more promising potentials for us .
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Advocates do not openly speak against threats of violence and cyber criminality by people with autism as they would likely seek to ignore such a reality within self-advocacy for public image reasons. I on the other hand have seen such words of potential violence and with cyber criminality justifications as reasons to further establish a more credible leadership philosophy and premise by speaking against it. Some of the things that have been said are the perfect example in advocacy of how not to advocate, co-exist with the world as it is and with constructive passion establish more promising potentials for us .
to move forward one needs to take risks. one needs to push people out of the way. its funny ci how you immediately jump to conclusions, something risky always becomes reckless and irresponsible. anything in effect that differs from your narrow minded vision of the future you brand as "unprofessional" and "irresponsible".
Right.
Keep it up with the world-view of superiority as a narrow minded interest. Lately I've been wicking thousands of tea-light candles for a special project. I've been watching lots of documentaries on WWII and specifically the psychology of it. What are the psychological qualities of their mind altering politics. It seems to me that they blamed the world around them for their problems and that the world was out to get them. This whole N.T idea especially when it goes to far seems to be a great deal compatible to the brain washing the Nazi's did toward it's people. They were the victims, it was the worlds fault, they were actually superior to other people and the Jews (maybe said as the N.T's) were inferior and at fault.
Now I'm not saying the anti-N.T stuff is Hitler or Nazi. I'm just saying it's a little mind altering for some. That some take it too seriously as a narrow minded interest and I think it wrecks them. Some become so very angry they seek a kind of revenge. I just think it is very wasteful and including the narrow minded focus of superiority or even inferiority. I think people with autism have much better things to focus on such as their potentials in spite of a disorder label. I suspect letting go of the disorder and the N.T concept would be for at least some freeing but for the political advocates who depend on the decisive philosophy of seeing the world as so it would be threatening.
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I'd find the idea of aspie/autie supremacy funny if it weren't intended seriously.
It is still funny.
Aspies are different from NTs.
Some of us are good people, some bad.
Some of us are very intelligent in some ways, but not in all;
some of us have fairly average intelligence;
and some of us are challenged in this area as well.
Some of us are very creative; some are stuck.
Some of us can live fairly effectively; some are thrashing or unable to move forward.
Some of us are better than many NTs in some regards; some of us are not.
Thinking in terms of groups is nearly always wrong, and seldom helpful.
What can I do today to make my life better? That is the only real question I need to ask.
While there is discrimination and ignorance about aspies, auties, and others who are different, the answer is to fight that discrimination, to learn and educate, not to create imaginary supremacies and look like fools.
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Keep it up with the world-view of superiority as a narrow minded interest. Lately I've been wicking thousands of tea-light candles for a special project. I've been watching lots of documentaries on WWII and specifically the psychology of it. What are the psychological qualities of their mind altering politics. It seems to me that they blamed the world around them for their problems and that the world was out to get them. This whole N.T idea especially when it goes to far seems to be a great deal compatible to the brain washing the Nazi's did toward it's people. They were the victims, it was the worlds fault, they were actually superior to other people and the Jews (maybe said as the N.T's) were inferior and at fault.
Now I'm not saying the anti-N.T stuff is Hitler or Nazi. I'm just saying it's a little mind altering for some. That some take it too seriously as a narrow minded interest and I think it wrecks them. Some become so very angry they seek a kind of revenge. I just think it is very wasteful and including the narrow minded focus of superiority or even inferiority. I think people with autism have much better things to focus on such as their potentials in spite of a disorder label. I suspect letting go of the disorder and the N.T concept would be for at least some freeing but for the political advocates who depend on the decisive philosophy of seeing the world as so it would be threatening.
I think that being rightfully angry because someone has wronged you might be a good thing. It is a great motivator for people to bring justice and success to themselves and their people. ci, do you want autistic people to become rich and happy and not have to deal with crap form NTs? this is a serious question for you, please give me a straight answer. I really think your motives and vision for the future fall short of what autistic people really deserve.
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What uou all didn't realise is that yes, people do think in groups but it is stupid to lump people together who actually don't have the same thoughts and feelings because that is the easy, convenient option. In this situation that is an important consideration.
People who think of themselves being in a group also regard themselves as individuals simultaneously to manintaing a concept of group and group identity. sometimes they are more an individual, others more part of a group.
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Now regarding this superiority business, this really is not a good strategy , I'm not saying it's right or wrong because I'm a bit sociopathic and at an evolutionary level I don't think these concepts apply. But there is definitely right and wrong for humans living in groups.
Watch a few videos of child soldiers, espcially those who have grown up, they will tell you they became soldiers usually because another group came to their village armed with AK's, murdered their parents ,raped the female members of their family and destroyed their homes. They were then drawn into the local army, given an Ak and some basic training and ordered ( as children 9-10 years old ) to go do the same back to the people that did this to them, and told it's Ok to do this.
When they grow up these former child soldiers realise they have been programmed to commit atrocities , and the residual memories they have of once being a child , having a family and the grief they haven't been able to express ,comes back. Those that get out alive and try to find a non violent way usually say one interesting thing all the time. "We knew what we were doing was wrong. "
They know it was fundemementally wrong because they have this memory , this imprint, this deep sense of having been loved as a small child.
If you ask these guys they will say its the only thing in their psyche that is worthwhile, it's the only piece of snaity in a patchwork of horrific images and memories and experinces they want to build on.
Now here in our countries I guess we AS have a bad time sometimes , but it's nothing like the stuff kids in other countries go through growing up. I seen kids in countries with ulcers on their legs sitting outside fithly public toilets begging tourists for change - I seen kids daily, rooting through trash for food , and thats mild compared to what can happen. In Brazil the authorities decided to get rid of the street kids , with no parents, and sent in death squads, and started chasing them around the streets and sewers with 9mm.- That's six year old kids shot and dumped in dumpsters.
So what I'm trying to say is I don't think we have a case for arguing our situation is so bad we need to assert ourselves as a supremicist movement, that goes hand in glove with these people killed my people , we are better than them so we kill them thinking- like the perpetual war in the villages and towns where the child soldiers come from.
I don't think we have a case to act negitively because the real thing it seems any traumatised head-scewed-by-the-world person wants, is to be part of an loving group be intimate with others and be accepted, to give and receive love, and some of those people in that group will be NTs.
What we have a case for is persuing our rights , like I said we're not liberationg a country , rather dealing with a relatively mild form of social exclusion and opression comapre to kids. like child soldiers and Brazillian street kids which are not uncommon experinces in other countries . It would be deluded to believe otherwise. But the strategy for challenging these existing systems does require a degree of confrontational approach where appropriate. I know this as well, I'm not book quoting here how you confront is like some real life karma - it determines the course of the rest of your life and the lives of those you influence. So we better make damn
sure that waht we do is a positive , because I seen plently of people who went about it with hate , in later life. l0oking like burned out smack heads ,screwed up, sucked out, living a life no longer worth it, and what harm they did to others along the way is reflected in these individuals states- you see it in their faces, the only faces
that are easy to read.
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What uou all didn't realise is that yes, people do think in groups but it is stupid to lump people together who actually don't have the same thoughts and feelings because that is the easy, convenient option. In this situation that is an important consideration.
ok Gedrene you try to find an NT who respects autistic people, thats a challenge.
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