Autism Speaks and brain donations

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You hurt his feelings I think. I can kind of see how he'd think it was aimed at him. If you made a joke on a thread I started it would hurt my feelings too. Maybe apologize and make up?

It was more of a case that he said 'now they want our brains' and then said 'those nazis!'
The first bit was obviously a warped reimagining of what I said and then he made the those nazis joke.
I don't mind people making jokes on a thread I made. I just think people stuffing words in my mouth in general or specifically saying that I think people are nazis is an insult.

I compared tam man to Hitler on AFF as a joke response. I couldn't resist the temptation. I'm a bad Ducky.

I wasn't trying to be hurtful but was responding to a guy who claimed tam man wasn't aspie because he was too charismatic. He also said tam man was a sociopath.

True, but then you were defending Tam using humour rather than being dismissive

What's the difference? I don't get it.

There's a difference between defending someone against a jerk making unfounded criticisms by jokingly referring to the person your defending as a nazi, and being dismissive towards a person by saying they called someone a nazi when they didn't.

Take out the word Nazi from the centre of the equation. What matters is the intent. Nazi is just a placeholder for bad person.

Well I explicitly mentioned if their parents murdered them as I was thinking more about that. Still the same willingness to proceed? It'd look highly unethical to use a brain of a child murdered by their parents who just couldn't cope with their child's condition any more for medical research into said condition. It would be an enormous legal issue too as it obvious the parents were unfit to speak for that child to begin with, so wouldn't that null and void such legal documentation?

If so, then I guess there's no problem here.

I am sorry. I did not think you would be upset by that. I was simply trying to lighten the mood, and was not directing my statements at you. Autism Speaks = Nazi is a very common sentiment in the autistic community, but I don't think I've ever even heard you say it.

We all find different things funny. I have a dark sense of humor, but I was not trying to be mean.

The documentation would already be in place, so unless the action was disputed by the remaining spouse, it would go as orginally planned.

It wouldn't work any different that any other organ donor that was murdered; it wouldn't make a bit of difference if it was a relative or a non-relative.

All right, here's a more provoking situation: A single parent justifies their killing of their child because they couldn't cope any more and hoped the child's brain might help research into curing Autism (after all they were also the one who opted-in the child to the project). So the legal document cannot be voided if this revelation came out? That really sounds unethical if it's still allowed and is awarding the murder's wishes if such a case emerges. I really don't like the idea of how children could be seen as expendable assets for research purposes and it'd be allowed without dispute.

One other thing, organ donation is vastly different as their organs may save several lives in the immediate future. Now unless Autism is a terminal illness, a medical research donation cannot be comparable in moral justification to organ donation.

I really don't see how making a comment about whether an article mentioned if a child organ donor was dead or alive, could possibly be any less offensive than Tambourine man's joke.

The humor was no less dark than the humor Tambourine Man used.

I guess whomever is in charge of that program could be offended by your statement, but they are not here to defend themselves.

No one is accusing you of a personal insult because you didn't mention any names.

If they came here to defend themselves, I'm pretty sure you would deny it was directed at them, regardless of how many times they insisted that you were directing it at them.

You might say I didn't mention your name, so I wasn't accusing you of anything.

When I'm dead, I really don't think I'll be needing my brain. Better that it goes to research than gets burnt up or buried in the ground.

I don't really care what the circumstances of my death are. If my organs can help others, well, their welcome to them. Better that they aid my fellow man than end up eaten by worms.

I guess I don't think of this as a delicate issue. I know others do. I've had many traumatic health situations in my family. If an extra organ could've kept my ten year old sister from dying, I would've been pretty upset if people were just burying them in the ground for formality's sake.

The scenario you describe sounds bizarre. As far as human behavior and bizarre beliefs go, not much is beyond possibility. In this case it would warrant psychological examination of the parent; their sanity would definitely be suspect with a comment like that. Unless another family member protested, the legal documentation would carry through, though.

As far as the law goes, it wouldn't make a difference if a parent said I killed the child because they had skin cancer couldn't handle taking care of the sick child and hoped that the tissue donation would cure skin cancer. They would question the sanity of parents in each case.

Organ or tissue donation is considered legally ethical, regardless of anyone's personal sanity or motives behind a murder. That's in the US, I can't speak for any other country,

Human tissue/organ donation for research of all types are done in the hopes of saving thousands of potential lives. In the case of autism, it's not technically a fatal condition, but a significant finding could potentially make the lives of people better, and as long as that potential exists it seems worthwhile to me.

It's legally ethical. Whether one consider it personally, morally ethical, is a choice one makes for themselves and an opinion some make for others.

We all find different things funny. I have a dark sense of humor, but I was not trying to be mean.[/quote]
I do remind you is that it felt bitter because I was defending you at injury to myself from people who equated autism speaks with Nazis. Anyways...

Apology accepted!

Now let's move on!

Because amazingly I don't live in a fantasy world where cruel people don't live and where parents have not dealt callously with their autistic children.
Being that I recognise nearly every good thing in the programme when it has been said I think this puts a damper on your point.

Yes it was a damning suggestion. But exactly what precedent do we have set? That people in autism speaks have thought about killing their autistic children or haven't?



That wasn't a joke. It was serious. It just doesn't say. Why do you always seem to make inferences?

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It's disturbing.