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14 Dec 2011, 2:32 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
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If the websites that leave out the 25 to 30 percent statistic thought that the statement on the CDC website meant 65% or 70% of autistic children do not speak, they would state that as fact, but they don't, and there is no evidence that anyone on any site, is stating that 65 to 70% of autistic children do not speak, in reference to the CDC statistics.
Now who is being too literal minded? The fact is that when looks at the statement 40% of autistic children do not speak at all and another 25%-30% gain words but lose them later the implication is that 65% to 70% can't speak.

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Sorry but facts are not delusions.
Claiming that it is fact that the CDC did not intend to say what it did say because it would seem absurd is not a fact.

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Like I said, if you don't want to accept the facts supported by the references for the statistics, and continue to read the statement as you are, that is your perogative,
if you want to try and caim that the CDC didn't make a mistake or is mistaken in either protraying the fact in this way or you are mistaken in thinking that the two studies were not comparable in some way then that is your right, but you aren't right.

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We already know that the 50 percent statistic is decades old, and an overestimation now that milder cases of autism have been identified with additional individuals that do speak, since Aspergers was identified as a diagnosis on the Spectrum in 1992 to 94, depending on which country one lives in, starting with the ICD10 and Gilberg Criteria.
Oh don't worry. The point is that I still do not trust the statistics because they are unreliably made and suggest that the level of non-speaking children in the USA is far higher than it actually is.


The facts in the references on the CDC website, that I clearly referenced, that explains the statistic on the CDC website are facts, and I do not appreciate your personal attack that I have delusions. If you want to refute the evidence I have presented I suggest you provide some third party references that refute the evidence I have presented, instead of the personal attacks.


What personal attacks? Is saying that someone is mistaken a personal attack? Sounds like you have a thin skin


No, I have no problem with someone telling me I am mistaken, and have ignored many personal attacks.

You have a problem with being called wrong?

You talk a lot about personal attacks but don't give me anything. That some kind of aspie joke?

read the thread please.


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14 Dec 2011, 2:39 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
aghogday wrote:
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aghogday wrote:
If the websites that leave out the 25 to 30 percent statistic thought that the statement on the CDC website meant 65% or 70% of autistic children do not speak, they would state that as fact, but they don't, and there is no evidence that anyone on any site, is stating that 65 to 70% of autistic children do not speak, in reference to the CDC statistics.
Now who is being too literal minded? The fact is that when looks at the statement 40% of autistic children do not speak at all and another 25%-30% gain words but lose them later the implication is that 65% to 70% can't speak.

aghogday wrote:
Sorry but facts are not delusions.
Claiming that it is fact that the CDC did not intend to say what it did say because it would seem absurd is not a fact.

aghogday wrote:
Like I said, if you don't want to accept the facts supported by the references for the statistics, and continue to read the statement as you are, that is your perogative,
if you want to try and caim that the CDC didn't make a mistake or is mistaken in either protraying the fact in this way or you are mistaken in thinking that the two studies were not comparable in some way then that is your right, but you aren't right.

aghogday wrote:
We already know that the 50 percent statistic is decades old, and an overestimation now that milder cases of autism have been identified with additional individuals that do speak, since Aspergers was identified as a diagnosis on the Spectrum in 1992 to 94, depending on which country one lives in, starting with the ICD10 and Gilberg Criteria.
Oh don't worry. The point is that I still do not trust the statistics because they are unreliably made and suggest that the level of non-speaking children in the USA is far higher than it actually is.


The facts in the references on the CDC website, that I clearly referenced, that explains the statistic on the CDC website are facts, and I do not appreciate your personal attack that I have delusions. If you want to refute the evidence I have presented I suggest you provide some third party references that refute the evidence I have presented, instead of the personal attacks.


What personal attacks? Is saying that someone is mistaken a personal attack? Sounds like you have a thin skin


No, I have no problem with someone telling me I am mistaken, and have ignored many personal attacks.

You have a problem with being called wrong?

You talk a lot about personal attacks but don't give me anything. That some kind of aspie joke?


I explained it to you in detail, and told you where the actual incident was. It's no joke, it part of the decorum required on this internet site. Here is the quote from a few posts back, that I was responding to.

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I am sorry but unlike most people I don't actually take words on the internet like you and warp them in to saying what helps preserve my delusions.


If you don't believe that is a personal attack, I suggest you consult a moderator.



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14 Dec 2011, 2:40 pm

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read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer



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14 Dec 2011, 2:44 pm

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I am sorry but unlike most people I don't actually take words on the internet like you and warp them in to saying what helps preserve my delusions.


If you don't believe that is a personal attack, I suggest you consult a moderator.


Why did you get that?



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14 Dec 2011, 2:47 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
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read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer

you're accusing aghogday of being sensitive when you are admittedly unaware of the context. if you are going to form an opinion about the interactions on the thread, i would suggest that you form an informed opinion as opposed to a snap judgement based on limited information.


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14 Dec 2011, 2:58 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer

you're accusing aghogday of being sensitive when you are admittedly unaware of the context. if you are going to form an opinion about the interactions on the thread, i would suggest that you form an informed opinion as opposed to a snap judgement based on limited information.
Aghogday's last post had a quote from this Gedrene guy. There wasn't a personal attack on there, unless saying someone is mistaken is a personal attack

Next thing aghogday's saying he doesn't like it when people say he's wrong. So what am I supposed to think?

There something wrong with saying someone is sensitive? Seems a bit, well, sensitive



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14 Dec 2011, 3:05 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer

you're accusing aghogday of being sensitive when you are admittedly unaware of the context. if you are going to form an opinion about the interactions on the thread, i would suggest that you form an informed opinion as opposed to a snap judgement based on limited information.
Aghogday's last post had a quote from this Gedrene guy. There wasn't a personal attack on there, unless saying someone is mistaken is a personal attack

Next thing aghogday's saying he doesn't like it when people say he's wrong. So what am I supposed to think?

There something wrong with saying someone is sensitive? Seems a bit, well, sensitive

you don't know what was discussed in the thread, and we do. go back and read the thread and you might gain some understanding as to the context here. yes, all 30 pages. otherwise it seems like you are attempting to create problems by posting an inflammatory opinion with no understanding of what actually happened.


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14 Dec 2011, 3:11 pm

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you don't know what was discussed in the thread, and we do. go back and read the thread and you might gain some understanding as to the context here. yes, all 30 pages. otherwise it seems like you are attempting to create problems by posting an inflammatory opinion with no understanding of what actually happened.

So am I supposed to guess? Right, I am gonna ask a question. Obviously there's a lot of high running tensions



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14 Dec 2011, 3:39 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
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you don't know what was discussed in the thread, and we do. go back and read the thread and you might gain some understanding as to the context here. yes, all 30 pages. otherwise it seems like you are attempting to create problems by posting an inflammatory opinion with no understanding of what actually happened.
So am I supposed to guess? Right, I am gonna ask a question. Obviously there's a lot of high running tensions
No, you're expected to read the thread to educate yourself on a topic before flapping your mouth about it. As it stands you've just popped up and you're being a nuisance.
Do yourself a favour and either (1) contribute or (2) look for another thread.


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14 Dec 2011, 3:45 pm

aghogday is behond gracious about handling personal and political attacks.and very good about being critical without being rude.i dont see how someone could think aghogday doesnt handle attacks well


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14 Dec 2011, 4:23 pm

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aghogday is behond gracious about handling personal and political attacks.and very good about being critical without being rude.i dont see how someone could think aghogday doesnt handle attacks well

I think some people are getting really het up about nothing

Everyone keeps saying that I educate myself. Why doesn't the guy who makes a claim actually prove it than expect me to do it? He did, so I don't know why people are getting so flustered. No need for people to start calling people names either.



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14 Dec 2011, 4:29 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
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aghogday is behond gracious about handling personal and political attacks.and very good about being critical without being rude.i dont see how someone could think aghogday doesnt handle attacks well

I think some people are getting really het up about nothing

Everyone keeps saying that I educate myself. Why doesn't the guy who makes a claim actually prove it than expect me to do it? He did, so I don't know why people are getting so flustered. No need for people to start calling people names either.

he didn't attack you, name you, or otherwise involve you in the situation, so there is no reason why he should he should prove anything to you - especially when all of the applicable information is freely available.

you, on the other hand, seem to want to put him on the spot. why is it so important to you?


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14 Dec 2011, 4:40 pm

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he didn't attack you, name you, or otherwise involve you in the situation, so there is no reason why he should he should prove anything to you - especially when all of the applicable information is freely available.

He? You think I'm talking about aghogday

I was just called a nuisance and told to stop flapping my mouth by a mod. Whatever is going on, I don't even want to take a sniff of it.
Want to put him on the spot? Isn't insinuating things against the rules?

Aghogday told me something anyway. So I send him my best wishes.



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14 Dec 2011, 4:56 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
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read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer

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Really!!

aghogday first post in this thread Oct. 20 2011
MarcusTulliusCicero first post in this thread Dec. 14 2011

Sounds weird that you tell people anything about the topic.

Nobody ever called you anything, only your behavior pattern


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14 Dec 2011, 5:06 pm

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MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
read the thread please.

Really? I'm supposed to read a 30 page thread? Sounds weird that you ask me to if you seem to already know the answer

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Really!!

aghogday first post in this thread Oct. 20 2011
MarcusTulliusCicero first post in this thread Dec. 14 2011

Sounds weird that you tell people anything about the topic.

Nobody ever called you anything, only your behavior pattern
Is any of that supposed to mean anything? Where did you get that I was telling anyone about anything? I was asking other people to tell me

Behaviour patterns? Really? I was just called a nuisance. Given the warm welcome I get for asking a single question I can only bet something sardonic is going to come up.



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14 Dec 2011, 5:09 pm

REALLY


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