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07 Mar 2008, 9:56 pm

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It is actually very easy to see auras around objects. If you stare at them long enough, and with sufficient focus and determination, they will appear. It is called the power of suggestion, expectation effects, or the self-fulfilling prophecy. Our minds can manufacture all sorts of images, as they do each night in our dreams.


Then what about the phenomena of Kirlian photography? (Picking up 'auras' from plants, objects, human hands, etc).

Interesting conversation here...


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07 Mar 2008, 10:56 pm

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Then what about the phenomena of Kirlian photography? (Picking up 'auras' from plants, objects, human hands, etc).

No. Kirlian photography is just high voltage coronal discharges affecting photograph plates. Not surprising, even. I'd be surprised if they didn't produce images. Take away the high voltage - no pictures.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:04 am

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Then what about the phenomena of Kirlian photography? (Picking up 'auras' from plants, objects, human hands, etc).


Both Kirlian (loss of moisture) and aura photography (a graphical presentation of biofeedback) can be explained and studied empirically. Neither has anything to do with the imaginative seeing of auras, which, IMO, is basically a form of self-suggestion or self-hypnosis.


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09 Mar 2008, 11:16 pm

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... the colour of the aura can be actually observed by a certain type of camera.

I think that is called a "doctored" camera.

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If five people that can see auras with the naked eye would look at the same person's aura, they would see the same colour.
Logically, as I'm pretty certain that there is not a single person that "can see auras" (whether with the naked eye, rose-tinted glasses or any other device), I cannot refute this statement.


Quite right. In fact, you might want to point out that there's a million dollars for anyone who can do so. At least one person has already failed dismally at aura detection. www.randi.org


A Kirlian camera takes images of the subtle electric outline eminating from all objects and these show different colours. You honestly think that all these experiments and pictures are not proof of its existance? And because you can't see it with the naked eye, no-one else can? According to these pictures, sensitive people with intuitive or pcychic abilities show a purple "aura". It so happens that "spiritual leaders" such as Buddhist monks who spend a lot of time in an altered state of awareness and most people on the Autitic spectrum have a purple coloured energy field.

The moon (yes, an astrological object) causes the effect of eb and flow of the oceans and certain crops are more successful when planted according to moon cycles. Humans being made up of a large percentage of water it makes sense that it would have some affect on us, however subtle but significant. Why do dogs howl at a full moon? I don't know but there must be a reason for it.

I find new Age stuff interseting and I think they could be on to something.


All that does is demonstrate that you really don't understand what tides are, or why the moon causes them. Yes, we are mostly made of water. The tidal effect of the moon on your body is less than that of your chair. As for the howling of dogs, I can't say much about it, as I've never had a dog. I can however say from personal experience that wolves don't howl due to the moon. They just howl. Almost every night. It is quite annoying when you are trying to sleep.

As for Kirlian photos, the physics is also well understood. Are you saying that most autists and 'spiritual' people have purple Kirlian 'auras' but that this is less common in the general population? Do provide citations for that, if so.


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10 Mar 2008, 4:28 am

That the energy field surrounding all objects have different colours is just your imagination and images of it are hoaxes.

That hypersensitive, intuitive people emit a blue/puple colour is a coincidence.

Indigos are naughty, misbehaving children who need a psychiatric diagnosis.

The universe has no physical or psychic affect on humans, in fact the universe out there is not real.



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10 Mar 2008, 5:05 am

I feel that "just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means you havent seen it yet."
It's like the "life on other planets argument" Most scientists now agree, there IS some form of life on some other planet out there. Just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I try to remain open-minded to all possiabilities, it makes the contemplation of this world and this life SO much more intresting.
In the long run ...it's all just spectulation. :?:


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10 Mar 2008, 10:15 am

I love it! Imagine trying to explain it with a straight face :D Or maybe we're 'Crystal children' instead (the latest generation apparently...).

This guy come up to me on the street once to tell me I had a 'violet aura' ... I think it was probably just a really bad chat up line though



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10 Mar 2008, 1:30 pm

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I feel that "just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means you havent seen it yet."...

Ah. With this I totally agree.

The problem with the "aura" game is only in part that, when asked for some form of evidence, the proponents fall quiet.

What is far worse is that the Kirlian photography idea was being brought forward as "proof", when it is plainly not. It is just a quaint effect.

When a "theory" is shown to be contrary to evidence, the theory has to go (or be modified).

When a "theory" is shown to have been supported by false evidence (by charlatans, for personal gain), then even a modification of that theory becomes highly suspect.


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11 Mar 2008, 8:26 pm

The thing about the so-called "Aura" is everyone sees them all the time. It's easy, and it's not some supernatural trick, it's caused by something in the eye can't remember exactly what but if you'll put yourself in a dimly lit room w/ a dim light from behind you, and put a person (or ANY object) up near a light colored wall and stare at it for a few minutes (on a person right above the top of the head) you'll actually see a band of brightness appear.At first it's a bright white/yellowish and then can change colors. It looks astoundlying close to the old Kirlian pictures. I can't remember exactly whats its called. We did this in Para-psych class 15-20 years ago, and hang on...I just tried it w/ my wall sconces and it still works. They have an Aura.
However I never dismiss something completely as a bunch of "New Age Hooey" because Science is wrong all the time too!
I'm a big believer in the whole "Anything is possible" Camp.
Had never heard of the term "Indigo Children" till I read this thread. Interesting theory, Iv been out of the New Agey Loop for awhile appartently. A new way to try to feel superior and validated. If it makes people feel better and better able to cope w/out hurting anyone.
More Power To It! :D


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21 Mar 2008, 2:57 pm

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i once went to a hippy therapist and she said i was :)


That sounds like fun.

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23 Mar 2008, 10:29 am

how to recognize the Indigo Child

The Indigo Child is recognizable by his or her aura and by certain other traits, according to The Indigo Children website (owned by Kryon Writings).

* They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it)
* They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
* Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
* They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
* They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
* They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
* They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
* They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
* They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
* They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

Sounds like every two-year-old I have ever met or heard about, on or off the spectrum :roll:


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23 Mar 2008, 11:39 am

I was a spacey kid, but I'm sure there's no truth to this indigo children business. I know some about it, history and people, but seriously.

I like the philosophical, semi-scientific, deeply occult approach of the 19th/18th century, some awesome concepts there, but New Age creeps me out. (Guess that's kind of strange coming from someone as spiritual and occult as me.)

Simplified explanation besides that New Age is founded upon the oldest idea of humankind, just tweaked to be all lovey-dovey and beautiful:

I was accused of being a devil's incarnate once. That struck me as lunacy.



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23 Mar 2008, 2:02 pm

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I like the philosophical, semi-scientific, deeply occult approach of the 19th/18th century, some awesome concepts there, but New Age creeps me out. (Guess that's kind of strange coming from someone as spiritual and occult as me.)

Could you give an example or a link for some good information.

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Simplified explanation besides that New Age is founded upon the oldest idea of humankind, just tweaked to be all lovey-dovey and beautiful:
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It is all to vague and floating...

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I was accused of being a devil's incarnate once. That struck me as lunacy.

Ay, what have you done to this person? They only said to me that I do not care about people, that is true for a lot of people, but definitely not all.



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23 Mar 2008, 4:08 pm

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I see the indigo children and crystal children constructs as "new agey" silliness. For instance:

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Some Indigos are natural healers and seem to be naturally attuned to Reiki energy. Some children who have autism and those with Asperger's Syndrome are also Indigo Children and it is thought that with spiritual counseling and various energy therapies such as Reiki, Shamballa, and EMF Balancing, among others, that these children may come out of their shells.

"Indigo Children are named for the predominant auric color of indigo (an ink-like dark blue with a touch of red). The color indigo represents the third eye chakra, the energy center of psychic activity, which is believed to be wide open on most Indigos. Indigos experience a thinner "veil" or separation between the earth and the spirit worlds, and they are able to access information many cannot. Most of the behaviors of Indigos are explainable by this aspect of a thinner veil.

http://metagifted.org/topics/metagifted ... ldren.html


To me, it makes no sense to attribute teleology (purpose) to neurology.



yeah, good point. my take on a lot of this new age philosophy is it is a form of creativity in a way, to think about spirituality in a more creative sense, and since it's spirituality, it cant be dis proven, somewhat like faith, it's either you do believe in it, or you dont, or you might, or somewhere in between.

and there is something to the power of suggestion; meaning, if you really think and feel that some form of new age therapy works for you, it may be beneficial, just becuase you believe it to be. much like those double blind trials they do with sugar pils, and for the people who dont know they took non medicine, some of them improve just based on the fact that they think they are really receiving medicine.

but i agree, on the surface, a lot of this new age stuff looks like silliness to me, hokey and unfortunately, plays to the fears of people who feel the need for help, much like the tonic salesmen that used to go from town to town selling their fantastic cure all potions to shleps. but then again, who knows...


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23 Mar 2008, 4:13 pm

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I am not a New Age follower but I find the some things interesting.

A women that I don't know very well, told me years ago that I have a purple aura. I know we all have auras, you can even take a picture of it. On one of the other polls most people on this site are Aquarians. Over the past two decades there has been a dramatic increase in people being born on the spectrum, whether it is because of increased awareness or whatever. In the Hindu religion, the aim is to activate the third eye chakra, the purple one. This religion is 1000s of years old. I see a pattern in all of this. Also the Earth will be moving into Acquarius around the year 2012. Is this all a coincidence?

People on the spectrum usually do not use their energy to play mind games with others (being social) - in fact we have trouble trying to do it. We live in our purist form, making great contributions to humanity. This is for me a sensible way for human evolution to be going.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but how can a person invoke auras, 'energy', astrology, and chakras in the same post, while claiming not to be a 'new age follower'?


in defense, i dont think he is "invoking" these things, he merely stated he finds some of these things "interesting" i think there's a big difference between the two words.


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24 Mar 2008, 6:00 am

I don't really buy into it, it just sounds like an excuse for either someone with an ASD whose parents don't want to accept it, or a label parents put on their spoilt, bratty little children to excuse their behaviour. Some 'new age' concepts I do believe in to an extent (mostly the ones that have been taken from older religions and had a more wishy-washy airy-fairy spin put on them). But for the most part... nah.

On the aura thing though, I can see them (as odd as that sounds) around most things - stronger around living things - and I can assure you, mine isn't 'indigo' or 'purple'. I always just assumed everyone did that, then when I learnt they didn't I just put it down to my dodgy eyesight, and still do. Doesn't account for the different colours, I would assume that's just different EMF/energy fields or whatever... but I still just put it down to my dodgy eyes rather than being a 'highly evolved purple spirit lady' from a global evolving race of purple spiritual people. ;)


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