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15 Oct 2010, 1:48 am

not all NTs are afraid of Aspies/autism , some Nts jsut avoid us, some think we are inferior and are not scared of us cause they can just come up to you and assault/bully you.

But not all Nts are bad/afraid infact some NTs have other mental diseases/disorders and they are our brothers in arms
Not to mention that not all NTs are bad, just like not all germans are Nazis
But to those who have been bad deserve death for their utter arrogance and ignorance



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15 Oct 2010, 10:17 am

:? :roll: theyre not afraid of us, theyre not gettign rid of us, and theyre not out to get us lol, half of them dotn even know what aspergers is they jsut think their tryingto help


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15 Oct 2010, 5:18 pm

I find many NTs are frightened by me-I have reduced some to quivering wrecks -quite unintentionally...lol



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16 Oct 2010, 5:57 pm

Craig28 wrote:
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welcome the opportunities to educate and help people understand.


You can't teach people that don't want to know, nor can any Aspie tell an NT about AS without the NT thinking that the Aspie is "full of it" or "above the norm". Thats the reality of diagnosing a condition such as AS in an uncaring world.

There's a clear battle line between NT and Aspies at the moment, especially with all this nonsense that Aspies "have it easier because of their condition". A condition WE NEVER WANTED to have in the first place. AS is nothing special.


Wow...I think that if I start to educate people on Williams Syndrome, they will want to euginicize those babies, too, although I don't understand why...they are usually quite kind and empathic. Plus, as children, they look like little dolls that you see on TV, and they won't even try to murder you! In fact, they are more apt to hug someone than murder someone.

Some people are either afraid of me (in sixth grade, an eighth grader said I was scarily random and quiet) or they want to avoid me. There is always a middle ground, however, where people like me.



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17 Oct 2010, 9:39 am

We are different to the norm therefore we are special.We have it easier than we used to prior to the diagnosis being recogised and prior to the internet coming about.When I was younger we had no identity as Aspies and no community.Each Aspie was on his own in the world.Its still tough though,every day out in the world is a battle.

Craig28 wrote:
madmikeee wrote:
welcome the opportunities to educate and help people understand.


You can't teach people that don't want to know, nor can any Aspie tell an NT about AS without the NT thinking that the Aspie is "full of it" or "above the norm". Thats the reality of diagnosing a condition such as AS in an uncaring world.

There's a clear battle line between NT and Aspies at the moment, especially with all this nonsense that Aspies "have it easier because of their condition". A condition WE NEVER WANTED to have in the first place. AS is nothing special.



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20 Oct 2010, 3:08 pm

Craig28 wrote:
madmikeee wrote:
welcome the opportunities to educate and help people understand.


You can't teach people that don't want to know, nor can any Aspie tell an NT about AS without the NT thinking that the Aspie is "full of it" or "above the norm". Thats the reality of diagnosing a condition such as AS in an uncaring world.

There's a clear battle line between NT and Aspies at the moment, especially with all this nonsense that Aspies "have it easier because of their condition". A condition WE NEVER WANTED to have in the first place. AS is nothing special.


And right there is your issue, you have stated that a battle line has been drawn yet I know of no such war being fought.

Life sucks, the world is hard and uncaring, no it's not fair that it's that way, but it is what it is. Unless you are willing to drop the militant attitude about it and start trying to help people to understand, the world will not get any better. EVERYONE fears change, I don't care who you are, what you have or what your afflicted with. You just have to keep trying. I have NEVER heard ANY NT say they thought people on the spectrum "have it easier".



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27 Aug 2011, 3:59 pm

I agree with the proposition. Uta Frith, in her book 'Autism', compares us with, among others, the Midwich Cuckus. Those children were killed by a suicide bomber.



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27 Aug 2011, 4:45 pm

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Sometimes I wonder if NTs aren't on some level profoundly afraid of autistics, especially aspies, which is why they're so intent on getting rid of us.


I don't know about you, but I have experienced far more people jealous of my unusual abilities than afraid of them. Or just disturbed by the very unusual abilities, (like having smell thoughts which I normally don't mention to anyone ever.)

However, as long as our society wants to remain dependent on technology like my laptop and the mainframe computers regulating our power utilities, there will be Aspies and Autists around. Engineers and computer programmers who are not Aspergulars themselves nearly always have a close family member that is, a sibling, parent, child or uncle/neice. My family = mom is mainframe op, dad is architect, brother is artifical intelligence programmer, I'm a cook/baker, 3 neices have aspergers, one is fully autistic.) If you get rid of the Aspies, you get rid of the engineers. The 'slines don't want that. They want their camera phone thingies to work and get fancier every year.

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But, just to be helpful, if you want to run with your X-Men Aspie Ubermensch proponence, you might want to switch from using the term NT (neurotypical) to PN (psychologically normative), so you can conveniently pronounce it "peon," hence conferring an important morale boost to das Uberaspies.



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27 Aug 2011, 6:12 pm

'Different' doesn't mean 'better'.

The autie supremacists are ridiculous and embarrassing.


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27 Aug 2011, 6:34 pm

Well, the jealousy I have experienced has been mostly skill related. Take screenprinting, for example. Pulling prints by hand requires an affinity towards perfectionism and repetition. Anything that is very repetitive, I can do fairly well and very fast.

And the attention to detail thing. I can figure out how a machine or technical process works by looking at it closely and reverse engineering it in my head. So I can teach myself how to do something like screenprint, engrave metals or hand sew in a couple of days that takes most NTs a couple years to learn. People are jealous of this, how I have such an easy time "figuring things out." it's "not fair."

Personally, I think AS is utter and relentless pain, and it makes me sad that people get jealous over it. I think it's an ignorance issue: if people really knew what I've been through in my life to get to this point, they wouldn't envy the abilities so much as worry about having to pay the price for them.

And what a curse, a double edged sword! For a time, I thought I'd be able to make a living off recording music and screenprinting show fliers and album covers, even playing shows in a band. But so much of that, SO MUCH, is more dependent on your ability to manipulate the social network than it is to be a very competent and productive artist. To be popular. Say the right things to the right people.

I was never able to line up enough work to "make it," or even engage in the social conflict necessary to get people to pay for the work they commission. Who cares if I can pull 1k prints in a day with only one misprint? Every time, I would cave in to the band when they tell me they're broke because they had to fix their van for tour. I couldn't even get enough money out of people to pay for the cost of ink and paper, much less the overhead of having a print shop to work in.

As much as I value my "abilities," it's my social disabilities that have continually knocked me off the ladder. So much for superpowers ... kryptonite ... too ... heavy ....



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28 Aug 2011, 11:00 am

AlanTuring wrote:
'Different' doesn't mean 'better'.

The autie supremacists are ridiculous and embarrassing.


Agreed. If anything the pettiness of the people who complain about us shows that there is no form of unified plan against our existence. i would like to point out that whilst I believe that many of us will be able to live together more easily I doubt that is because there is organised persecution against us.



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29 Aug 2011, 8:14 am

I think the idea of AS scares NTs, just because when you find out someone has a condition that impacts their life in this way, you tend to proceed with caution around them. I think thats a perfectly understandable, instinctive way to react, even if it's annoying to see people I've known for awhile find out and get all cautious on me.

I avoid telling people, but if I'm asked outright I won't deny it. In my personal experience, when people find out, most get a little uncomfortable. Sometimes they're just curious, which is fine, and when I answer their questions, the mystery is gone and it becomes less scary for them. Sometimes they think it automatically means I'm mentally ill, and are really scared of me for awhile - slightly more irritating, but I just act over the top nice and complimentary and they are forced to rethink. Sometimes people talk down to me something shocking, but these sort of people will take any opportunity to do that. Usually though when NTs realise that this difference doesn't have to be a big deal, we're ok.

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29 Aug 2011, 9:12 am

madmikeee wrote:
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NT's fear Aspies because Aspies are different. NT's are afraid of what they don't understand.


Way to generalize :roll:


It is really the only way of looking at it, even my mom says the same thing, the thing is on the internet this kind of fear can result multiple problems, and also that not limited to specific people getting banned from Message Boards, which is what I have gone though, and I guess someone put an example on it as by saying "it just means that (insert Message Board) couldn't handle you." , is an example that they are afraid of people with the disorder online, more reasons they force people to get on meds or expect to be treated less fair/not good.

As in the final statement the "Real people's opinion are more important than internets." is the only advice would be said because the fear of aspies or for any form of Autism can cause NTs to even be paranoid, not just afraid.



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03 Sep 2011, 2:55 am

Hurray for the ignorance of what remains of civilization.

To even think, that society would have us medicated, on the grounds of "helping" with our "disabilities" is outrageous, but then, if we refuse the medication, they (the NT's) ridicule us.

Typically the meds they prescribe limit ones thought processes, thereby limiting our potential for advancement, hinderance to evolution on the grounds that they don't want change.

We have power to change the world, and judging humanity as it is and their reluctance to do anything about it, we need to change the world soon, to prevent collapse.

sorry for ranting, the more I think...you know how it is.



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03 Sep 2011, 3:35 am

Ellis509 wrote:
Hurray for the ignorance of what remains of civilization.

To even think, that society would have us medicated, on the grounds of "helping" with our "disabilities" is outrageous, but then, if we refuse the medication, they (the NT's) ridicule us.

Typically the meds they prescribe limit ones thought processes, thereby limiting our potential for advancement, hinderance to evolution on the grounds that they don't want change.

We have power to change the world, and judging humanity as it is and their reluctance to do anything about it, we need to change the world soon, to prevent collapse.

sorry for ranting, the more I think...you know how it is.

Now I don't believe I am part of a race of superhumans but I have come to the conclusion that the only reason many of us are in s**t creek is because we are different. That doesn't stop the fact that maybe you should actually achieve something highly notable before you start playing the superiority fiddle.



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03 Sep 2011, 8:35 am

I do often frighten people unfortunately, but I think that this is predominantly due NT's dreadful abillity to read me and empathize with me.

Really, generally speaking NT's are only comfortable with me if I'm completely putting on an act and following their stupid boring social rules. If I lapse for a moment and display whatever body language feels natural, or say what is really on my mind, they look at me as if I have 3 heads.

Yet when a regular Aspie customer comes into the place where I work helping my mom out, we get on great and chat for an hour and he understands me perfectly!

I am speaking generally here as I do get on well with some NT's better than others, and some understand me better than others. And I don't believe that there is any vendetta waged upon us by society as a whole.

But I think that part of the fear lies in the fact that the neurological difference we have causes poor mutual empathy. Plus I constantly find that I am a threat to many of the dogmatic beliefs that many NT's hold.