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29 Apr 2012, 7:24 am

A person with Aspergers is allowed to do anything a person with NT is. Being in the majority isn't a priviledge, nor is being in the minority oppression.



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29 Apr 2012, 7:33 am

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Neurotypical people live in a society that is designed for them, they get to experience life as the majority, people like them make up most of governing bodies, most media they're exposed to includes people like them, tey are not institutionalized for their neurotype, they are not discriminated against for their neurotype, they benefit from systems that hold neurotypical behaviors and strengths above neuro-divergent behaviors and strengths even if they don't activley participate in this system they are complicit.

This is privilege, privilege is not having to fill in the blank in from of the word person when your describing yourself.
Taking away the assumption of normality from neurotypical people is actively fighting oppression and marginalization. It puts everyone on equal linguistic footing and that is a good start.


Fair point with the privilege thing. I was thinking more mentally, in which case many autistic people (particularly those with HFA) are on the up.

But society does do that. It just writes us off as disabled. Most NTs are making no effort to create a neurodiverse society, they don't want to hear from us. If they hear something they don't like from us, they can either say "ignore it" on the grounds that we are autistic, or try to use autism as another metaphorical arrow in the metaphorical quiver when they respond, usually in this case with a series of angry, vulgar, abusive grunts.

Sorry, I'm feeling a bit bitter today, it may have come across in that post.


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29 Apr 2012, 8:31 am

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A person with Aspergers is allowed to do anything a person with NT is. Being in the majority isn't a priviledge, nor is being in the minority oppression.


Um, your first assertion is untrue. Also, no one has NT, they are NT. and Personally, I do not have aspergers, I am an autistic person.
Your second is arguing a point never made. Globally white people are a minority and they are a privileged class. It's not the fact that there are more Allistic Neurotypicals than Autistics that make them privileged. And being a minority is not what makes us oppressed,
our murders serving less jail time than murders of allistic victims makes us oppressed
living in a society that refuses to accommodate sensory issues makes us oppressed
a media that mocks, misrepresents, or just plain doesn't represent us makes us oppressed
being underemployed makes us oppressed
being abused more often than non-autistic peers makes us oppressed
Really being anything other than an able bodied, neurotypical, heterosexual, white, cis man means you sit on at leas one axis of oppression.
That is just the way it works, recognize and deal with the act that life is unfair.

Autism is a disability (albeit I subscribe to the social model of disability, so it's not an inherent disadvantage) and disabled people are marginalized.

All of this is really besides the point which is it's just as valid to say neurotypical person as it is to say neurodivergent person. These two things are simply the inverse of the other.


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29 Apr 2012, 1:36 pm

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I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion.


NT hint those with out autism will pick on those that have it and are more then likley to do so then other people with autism don't and rarley never pick on each other :wink:



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29 Apr 2012, 1:40 pm

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I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion.


NT hint those with out autism will pick on those that have it and are more then likley to do so then other people with autism don't and rarley never pick on each other :wink:


Most NTs don't even know how to tell wether or not someone has autism anyways...bullies seem to pick on people with percieved differences or weaknesses or whatever. But keep in mind not all NTs are bullies and its not often about NT's vs those with autism.

when I was a kid no one knew I had any sort of autism, so that is not why they were picking on me...it was simply being significantly different from them it happens to people without autism to.


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29 Apr 2012, 1:55 pm

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Joker wrote:
Rainy wrote:
I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion.


NT hint those with out autism will pick on those that have it and are more then likley to do so then other people with autism don't and rarley never pick on each other :wink:


Most NTs don't even know how to tell wether or not someone has autism anyways...bullies seem to pick on people with percieved differences or weaknesses or whatever. But keep in mind not all NTs are bullies and its not often about NT's vs those with autism.

when I was a kid no one knew I had any sort of autism, so that is not why they were picking on me...it was simply being significantly different from them it happens to people without autism to.


When you are placed in a class in school that is for kids with autism they can tell you have it otherwise they would not even bother teasing you about it.



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29 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

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Joker wrote:
Rainy wrote:
I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion.


NT hint those with out autism will pick on those that have it and are more then likley to do so then other people with autism don't and rarley never pick on each other :wink:


Most NTs don't even know how to tell wether or not someone has autism anyways...bullies seem to pick on people with percieved differences or weaknesses or whatever. But keep in mind not all NTs are bullies and its not often about NT's vs those with autism.

when I was a kid no one knew I had any sort of autism, so that is not why they were picking on me...it was simply being significantly different from them it happens to people without autism to.


When you are placed in a class in school that is for kids with autism they can tell you have it otherwise they would not even bother teasing you about it.


Yes if they know about it they might, I was just implying its not only people with autism that get treated that way, In my case though technically it was more more or less the autism, I did not know I had it nor did anyone else so to their knowledge they where not picking on me because I was autistic they were picking on me because I seemed weird...so I guess my main point is having autism is not the only reason people get harrassed by teachers and classmates.


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29 Apr 2012, 2:40 pm

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Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Rainy wrote:
I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion.


NT hint those with out autism will pick on those that have it and are more then likley to do so then other people with autism don't and rarley never pick on each other :wink:


Most NTs don't even know how to tell wether or not someone has autism anyways...bullies seem to pick on people with percieved differences or weaknesses or whatever. But keep in mind not all NTs are bullies and its not often about NT's vs those with autism.

when I was a kid no one knew I had any sort of autism, so that is not why they were picking on me...it was simply being significantly different from them it happens to people without autism to.


When you are placed in a class in school that is for kids with autism they can tell you have it otherwise they would not even bother teasing you about it.


Yes if they know about it they might, I was just implying its not only people with autism that get treated that way, In my case though technically it was more more or less the autism, I did not know I had it nor did anyone else so to their knowledge they where not picking on me because I was autistic they were picking on me because I seemed weird...so I guess my main point is having autism is not the only reason people get harrassed by teachers and classmates.


I guess I worded it wrong I meant that I was only speaking for myself and not other people with autism only myself.



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29 Apr 2012, 8:46 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Um, your first assertion is untrue.


If your behavior isn't disruptive or problamatic to others or yourself, no one really cares if you have Aspergers.

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Your second is arguing a point never made. Globally white people are a minority and they are a privileged class.


That depends on the place and time period, and it's really not true anymore in most modernized places.

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It's not the fact that there are more Allistic Neurotypicals than Autistics that make them privileged. And being a minority is not what makes us oppressed,
our murders serving less jail time than murders of allistic victims makes us oppressed
living in a society that refuses to accommodate sensory issues makes us oppressed
a media that mocks, misrepresents, or just plain doesn't represent us makes us oppressed
being underemployed makes us oppressed
being abused more often than non-autistic peers makes us oppressed
Really being anything other than an able bodied, neurotypical, heterosexual, white, cis man means you sit on at leas one axis of oppression.
That is just the way it works, recognize and deal with the act that life is unfair.

Autism is a disability (albeit I subscribe to the social model of disability, so it's not an inherent disadvantage) and disabled people are marginalized.

All of this is really besides the point which is it's just as valid to say neurotypical person as it is to say neurodivergent person. These two things are simply the inverse of the other.


Maybe you should consider that it's your behavior, not your Aspergers, that causes some of these problems. And some of these problems aren't even true.



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29 Apr 2012, 8:48 pm

Rainy wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Um, your first assertion is untrue.


If your behavior isn't disruptive or problamatic to others or yourself, no one really cares if you have Aspergers.

Not true at all Mr. Rain the members of WP do in fact care that he has Aspergers :wink: