Are NTs afraid of aspies?

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Please can't more people on this website believe what this guy does?

Looking back, I've changed my point of view from what I said three years ago. I think that NTs really are scared of us. They want to silence us, the put us down and they want to cure us and turn us into one of them. They also think that we have no theory of mind and we don't see things from their points of view. They can't stand having people on the planet who are that much different from themselves, so they want to cure us and prevent us from being born.

This made me laugh, in an odd way. My father is definitely where the AS comes from in our family, he's a tunnel-vision Architect who makes painstakingly detailed hand drawn blueprints, much faster than someone could make the same on a CAD (architect-savant?).

But he was never around. Never remembered we existed. Even before the divorce, I would only catch sight of him once or twice a month.

I knew I would be no different as a father, so I got myself "fixed" (like a good kitty). That was before I realized and accepted that I'm autistic, not completely insane as I had always assumed. I have a cat now, and it turns out that I'm a surprisingly good caregiver.

But sorry C.R., I'm afraid i've gone and done their work for them.

Bunch of made up stuff. Like going up to a stranger and saying you are a hater, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and think a bunch of things conveniently for simply being a so called N.T. I find it kind of rude and inappropriate. To think those that bother to help by helping to support developing treatments to improve quality of life are the ones targeted in this stereotypical rampage when plenty with autism support them. I've seen these writings on the internet for years and it's just lately I have the audacity to among peers speak against it and I've really been targeted myself for doing so like attacking my public job as a autism self-advocate. Some people don't have a sense of eqlibrium and by my saying so are scared of their own shadows in so much in saying they make big made up stories to create a big evil that doesn't exist in others to justify their beliefs and anything outside of it is the deadly foe!

You bring up though, what I think is a very good point. The sucessful architects, engineers, IT Professionals, Accountants, Law Clerks, Mechanics, Scientists, Mathematicians; many of these strong systemizers/detailers/lost in their special interest people carry some of the traits we associate with Autism, and exist quite well; at least long enough to reproduce.

No one is is going to try to cure these people, or even identify them as having a problem, and no one is going to stop them from reproducing, except for themselves. Sex happens; always has and always will. Many of the traits we see in Autism are just another day, focused on the job at hand.

Part of what we might normally identify as "NT" is just a slightly different version of ourselves that hasn't visited a professional for a diagnosis. Those that are somewhat like us will likely continue to produce those of us that might visit a professional for a diagnosis sometime in the future.

Some people with Autistic traits are quiet, odd, or eccentric. Many people though, in the general public, including many of the professionals with Autistic traits, I listed, don't really know what Aspergers is and likely never will, unless their spouses or friends make them watch the touchy feely kind of movies about people that are considered to have problems, or they have a friend or family member that is actually diagnosed.

All people with behavioral and physical differences are noted; it's part of human nature to notice differences. The only thing about Autism that I think people are really afraid about is having a child that may have impairments that limit their potential in life.

Aspergers is not the same consideration for most people; people in the general public, still don't see it as Autism, they see it as part of the traits that are common in a significant portion of the population. The people with these traits in skilled professions are highly valued in the general public; people of all types depend on them for many things they value in life.

The whole spectrum we are part of is much larger than 1 percent.

I dont think any nts are scared of me, i have been told i seem distant, cold, and the like.

I also dont think im better or worse than anybody.

I am unique, but i believe every human is, and i dont believe that because nts neurology is typical that their personality is.

Most of my friends(well the few i have) are nt, they dont treat me different and i enjoy doing the things they do.

This is reassuring. Thanks for telling us.

Yes, over the years many thought I'd kill them or something. They fear intensity.

Aha! I get that too! They're so damned... flighty, sometimes.

I despise the term "NT". I really, truly do. It seems as derogatory to me towards non-autistic folk as the term "ret*d" does when applied to people with autism.

It's also a way of dividing between "us" and "them" and yeesh, that's not really healthy either. There might be a lot of ignorant people judging us, but we don't help that by pulling back and judging them with just as much stereotypical venom.

So anyhow, back on topic.

Do the non-autistic community fear us? I don't think so. Do they understand us? Not really. Will they understand us better if we start ranting about how evil they are and stuff like that? Erm...highly unlikely.

What some of the folk on this thread have to realise is that people with autism and people without autism think entirely differently. What they think is us being selfish or cold or unsympathetic is their lack of understanding of how we think/process information and deal with emotion.

It works the same way in reverse. We can't understand them fully, either. I have no idea what it feels like to talk to someone and know intuitively whether they like me or not.

Most of this is not conscious on either side. We are not malicious, they are not malicious. We just don't speak the same language and it causes misinterpretation.

A lot of non-autistics expect us to conform to their standards and their ideals because they simply can't see another way of viewing the world (which is sad, since that makes me think of a pre-programmed human operating system where all the right and wrong answers are preinstalled). A whole lot of autistic people, though, also expect non-autistic people to automatically understand and conform to OUR way of thinking and that is just NOT how the world works.

On balance, people with autism are more imaginatively creative, emotionally vulnerable and socially awkward than people without autism. From when we're small we're constantly being bombarded by how the world "should" be and we always know that our world isn't, yet most of us learn to live in it anyway. The ability of people with ASD to adjust to a world not designed for us is amazing, and, in my view, proves that people with ASD are far more flexible, adaptable and downright courageous in everyday life than most folk without autism ever have to be.

We should hang onto that, not denigrate people who don't understand. There are a lot of really awesome non-autistic folk out there, and this kind of thread is disrespectful to them.

the term NT is quite useful though, and to me it feels better then 'normal', whch is extremely degeneratory to anyone who isn't 'normal', where with NT, the rest is just 'different'.

as for the fearing part; there is some truth to this, i realised last week.
a few of my female housemates, one of them knows i'm aspie, were discussing some private matters in the room of one of them, and while doing that, me and a few others chilled out on the couch in front of that room.
when the girls came out, the first thing that was said (by the one that knows) was: "oh god, the bat-eared autistic is here"

i know, it's not really strong, but still a display of fear for the aspiedom.
actually; i can imagine that; knowing there are others that can see/hear whatever you are doing from further away then you can even realise they are there... it's big brother all over again

Well there is more fear than what it really is, apparently Paranoia, Negativity, Personality, and Depression are the usual suspects on what most NTs would fear, and right now I dumped by a female because my personality was foul and not connecting, apparently something Aspies have an issue with and what make people be afraid of them.

I can talk specifically about NTs a lot of things that I fear in them. One example in my relatives is the inability to look at the world and not see it as grey as he thinks it is.

Until I first encountered the word 'neurotypical', the best way I had of describing most other people was 'normal', which left me with being 'abnormal', a word which carries a lot of negative weight.

I think that 'neurotypical' and 'NT' are fairly neutral terms. I find them useful, but mostly in talking with Asperger's with someone, when I'll compare and contrast neurotypicals and people with Asperger's.

I use standard humans. Neurotypical implies things I don't like, though if others want to use the term then go ahead. Then again Autism is blatantly weird, that's why I use quote marks. Then again I use quote marks around NT usually. Standard simply means common the way I use it, minus all the plebeian undertones.

'off-the-shelf model'?

mostly kidding