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19 Aug 2011, 5:01 pm

What? You are twisting it from what I originally argued actually. It is a noble idea to want to make money for a cause to help other people. But the fact is that you are not a national phenomenon. In fact I doubt you are a state-wide phenomenon. Prove me wrong if you want to but ci I was criticizing the extremely self-aggrandizing language.

No such claims ever made. You bold face lie and then say I lie about saying the thing you came up with which was a lie. It's pathological on your part. Quite with the attempts to halt the progress because you don't control it nor would likely qualify to benefit from it. Your a hater and a true disability bigot.

In other words bugger off you hater.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:38 pm

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A candle is not as simple as mixing wax, fragrance, dyes and into a container.


Actually, (with the addition of a wick), making a candle is this easy. I made them for a few years when I was a teen.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:43 pm

Not when your working with soy wax and high end fragrances in high saturation (10% - 12% in a candle). Sorry just not that simple. Once the formula is completed a distributor can change the fragrance at any time. After several years of testing as some fragrances are compatible with steel and some not (rusting) and U.V changes effecting the quality of the fragrance and appearance (color changes, crystallization in the wax "white spots" and destruction of aspects of the fragrance). Once you are working with high end performance based candles with high concentrations of fragrances and some containing food grade components it's a different ball game. Once the formula is down and testing is done and the source of supply secure it's a breeze. Yet to make 160 - 500 of the same fragrance at a time each selection needs vagarious testing or it's a potential loss.

Just in the past few days orders for several hundred candles from new clientele supporting the program specifically have been made. The formulas must be perfect as a transitional between distributors to manufactures (where dist get them from) is being made. Over $5,000 has been spent recently for this transition and thousands more in the coming months.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:58 pm

Reminds me of a pair of chatter teeth.

Wind them up and watch them go...


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19 Aug 2011, 8:14 pm

:roll:

Nothing lovely from you at all. You don't even have a diagnoses. Just a hater trying to fit in I'd perceive a potential of. As if you really mean well to my and others rights and progresses. A manifested form of what credible people call real "disability bigotry" and not the false accusation kind to push a perspective but the real genuine one. The thing is though I don't concern it much as I am a confident, accomplished and focused person. It helps and does not hurt but at the same time I don't need the extra help from haters if your doing it for that reason because I can do it without you.

Poser..


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20 Aug 2011, 2:41 am

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You have got to be the most manipulative nasty piece of work I've come across. Firstly you know nothing about R&D with supply chains. You cannot simply go from the distributor level to manufacture level on components and know incompatibilities when your dealing with so many veritables with waxes, dyes and container materials long with UV light incompatibilities that happen over time as well as purchase that large of quantity from the get go when the min quantity purchased far exceeds the required purchase quantity from master distributors previously. Not only differing formulas, differing smells but matching along with material incompatibilities. You just don't know and resort to the same old hate talk in assumption.

You know nothing and speak as if you can make a judgement when you yourself have no idea about the industry. My goal is to write a handbook for other work efforts to skip all the steps I have. A candle is not as simple as mixing wax, fragrance, dyes and into a container.


It shouldn't take five years is all I need to say. Any attempt to call me manipulative is pathetic.



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20 Aug 2011, 2:53 am

It's not pathetic stating the obvious when you have no clue what's going on. You find any little thing and imagine into it and find anyway to be negative. You got psychological issues and need to find something else to do then taking it out on productive efforts that proven to achieve. Just nonsense spewing the same ridiculousness and shameful in advocacy negative trash.


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20 Aug 2011, 2:55 am

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It's not pathetic stating the obvious when you have no clue what's going on. You find any little thing and imagine into it and find anyway to be negative. You got psychological issues and need to find something else to do then taking it out on productive efforts that proven to achieve. Just nonsense spewing the same ridiculousness and shameful in advocacy negative trash.


I can't believe this. I take what you say and analyze it for what it is. All you do is caused this to descend in to mud-slinging. How depressing it must be to be a senseless attack dog.



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20 Aug 2011, 5:15 am

Beyond any reasonable pardon you seem quite oblivious to your own rationale in your own behavior. Then go into another post and claim what is obvious is not so then go back here and claim dispute to that which you say you did not challenge. IF you stand to discredit my organizations accomplishments and yet offer no solution for people like myself you seem to be nothing other then a bitter enemy of progress and hope. I still challenge you to stand behind your remarks and find anyone else willing to do the same with you. It is something I am prepared to wage conflict on and am quite confident.

This is why public figures do not come onto forum places. Yet the idea of being fearful of something and not to face it seems to lack character. I will continue to do internet forum discussions when invited anyways.


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20 Aug 2011, 1:22 pm

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Beyond any reasonable pardon you seem quite oblivious to your own rationale in your own behavior. Then go into another post and claim what is obvious is not so then go back here and claim dispute to that which you say you did not challenge. IF you stand to discredit my organizations accomplishments and yet offer no solution for people like myself you seem to be nothing other then a bitter enemy of progress and hope. I still challenge you to stand behind your remarks and find anyone else willing to do the same with you. It is something I am prepared to wage conflict on and am quite confident.

This is why public figures do not come onto forum places. Yet the idea of being fearful of something and not to face it seems to lack character. I will continue to do internet forum discussions when invited anyways.

See? You just want to wage a war: fight a conflict. You are just an attack dog! And to think all war does is destroy things. You are holding us all back with your whinging.



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20 Aug 2011, 1:28 pm

You in fact do as you claim others do. Although you both lack integrity and maturity in debate you also lack the ability to understand facts due to self-denial. Once you can be honest with yourself openly I think we can move forward in these discussions.


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20 Aug 2011, 1:30 pm

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You in fact do as you claim others do. Although you both lack integrity and maturity in debate you also lack the ability to understand facts due to self-denial. Once you can be honest with yourself openly I think we can move forward in these discussions.

Again you're just saying what I said about you before. You just don't have any evidence that I was somehow to blame for any of this. I on the other hand make comments based on what you say to me. You're petty.



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20 Aug 2011, 1:40 pm

I don't have time to break your posts up into segments and issue replies. You on the other hand have great amounts of time for such matters. Yet do not desire constructive nor civil discourse. It has been offered but you do not want it. The intents of yours are clear. Simply to cause disruption by fumbling around with accusing the same behavior toward others of which you do in the exact same context. Continue to argue in the same like ways is beyond absurd. Moving on in the debate with constructive talk in context to the topics and quite filling up every post of mine with vindictiveness that is so utterly transparent of your behavior that a child can realize it.


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22 Aug 2011, 5:08 am

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I don't have time to break your posts up into segments and issue replies. You on the other hand have great amounts of time for such matters.


Yet despite this you never stop making replies for hours on end...

Breaking them in to segments is necessary to show people who read what I have said that I have reason to say it. Otherwise every time I make a reply I could just produce a massive block of text full of all sorts of made-up accusations about you and no one would be the wiser, which is basically what you do.



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22 Aug 2011, 5:51 am

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I don't have time to break your posts up into segments and issue replies. You on the other hand have great amounts of time for such matters. Yet do not desire constructive nor civil discourse. It has been offered but you do not want it. The intents of yours are clear. Simply to cause disruption by fumbling around with accusing the same behavior toward others of which you do in the exact same context. Continue to argue in the same like ways is beyond absurd. Moving on in the debate with constructive talk in context to the topics and quite filling up every post of mine with vindictiveness that is so utterly transparent of your behavior that a child can realize it.


Ci Can you see a common theme here?

1) You are arrogant
2) You are boring
3) You do not make sense
4) You are paranoid
5) You have dilusions of granduer
6) You make a spurious living based upon tax payer handouts and a sales pitch based upon pity.
7) You are bringing the US Coast Guard and the state of California into disrepute.
8) You are not an effective advocate because no body can understand a word you say.
9) You can not ignore the fact that Ghandi, MLK, FDR and Star Trek You Tubes will not make up for your shortcomings
10)You should find another hobby!

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22 Aug 2011, 11:22 am

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ci wrote:
I don't have time to break your posts up into segments and issue replies. You on the other hand have great amounts of time for such matters.


Yet despite this you never stop making replies for hours on end...

Breaking them in to segments is necessary to show people who read what I have said that I have reason to say it. Otherwise every time I make a reply I could just produce a massive block of text full of all sorts of made-up accusations about you and no one would be the wiser, which is basically what you do.


The 2-3 haters can clown all they want. the bottom line is what you say really doesn't effect my professional advocacy. I have not found individuals so willing to use put downs in advocacy in real life and without going on public record whilst arrogantly professing to really be in my and others best interest. The three of you simply need the balls to play politics real advocates and not hide behind a PC screen hoping to emotionally belittle myself to the point with your propaganda and insults over matters entirely unrelated to my public advocacy. You will not succeed in cramming your vindictive views down my throat to submission. I've got an iron will and would be much obliged to mop the floor with the likes of you politically to preserve others fundamental freedoms as defined under disability law already. I rally think the arrogance is found not in myself but in the lack of the realization somehow you are effective in your attempts given the history toward myself.


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