I am a member of a movement, what do you think about it

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The movement is basically one to establish a city oriented towards autists, rejecting assimilation into allistic society/the use of eugenics, instead favoring peaceful separation (not complete, of course). I expect many criticisms of such a concept and I’ll do my best to address them in the replies.

If anyone is seriously interested in this concept, I recommend you join our Discord server here:
discord.gg / JAy9Bvj7NW
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I don't see much point in movements of this sort, they seem very much focused on high functioning, high intellect, level 1 cases and not very relevant to people who don't fit that criteria.

We are generally against the aspie supremacist movement

That's a positive, at least.

That said, separatists and supremacists both seem to share some short comings, like not really giving much thought to autists who require support in order to function, as well as often overlooking that different segments of the autistic population often clash with each other as much as any of those segments clash with allistic people.

Personally I don't see much benefit to trying to create a society of autistic people, since it seems as though it would be harder to find a useful niche in a community with too many similar people. In general it would seem easier to find a specialized niche in a more diverse area than a less diverse area. It's harder to demonstrate a competitive advantage when there's too many similar individuals, vs. when there's a broader range of personality types.

I guees with the internet people would be able to work remotely. I like the idea of people creating there own city with there own rules that's the ultimate freedom

At a point where we are developed enough, we plan to introduce medical care for autists who require support so all autists can immigrate


There are always going to be people who clash with each other in any society, that's inevitable; we moreso want a society free from allistic oppression and governance


The only similarity would be neurotype, and while yes, this limits the population somewhat, 1 in 100 people are autistic, so it's not as much of an issue as it might seem; plus, autists' special interests are typically varied anyway


Agreed

Who's going to pay for the ones who can't work and provide their care? Not just medical care but also day-to-day care.



Personally, I don't see allistic oppression as a significant issue.

But I do see an autistic majority community possibly running into big clashes between sensory avoidant autists and sensory seeking autists. As someone who's highly sensory seeking, hell is being surrounded by enough sensory avoidant people that they can interfere with or impose sanctions for my sensory seeking.



What I mean is, when you're 1% of a community and looking for a niche where autism gives you a leg up, you're only competing against 1% of the community. If suddenly 80% of the community is autistic, now you're competing against a lot more people. It almost flips the calculus because in a mostly autistic community everyone would likely end up needing to focus on where they're "less autistic" than everyone else in order to find that niche.

Say for example, I'm generally above average at pattern recognition, but in an autistic majority community I'm probably closer to average. In an allistic community my pattern recognition is an advantage, in an autistic majority community it's less of an advantage because more people share that skill.

I agree with gathering autists together. Double empathy theory states we get along better together and also we face heavy discrimination at the hands of allistics. For example, 85% of college educated autists are unemployed.

Disclosure: I am also part of the group and saw this post

Do we get along better? I’ve not observed that. Sometimes autistics bully other autistics or engage in other sorts of problematic behaviors.

Theoretically we communicate better. But you are right, that doesn't necessarily mean we will get along better. I still think we would have more common empathy for each other which should help with things like employment and ableist architecture.

I’m a bit skeptical about autistics having more empathy for fellow autistics. For one thing, we all have vastly different challenges and experiences. I’ve experienced some pretty sh***y behavior from a few autistics. Granted, that’s only a few people, but I wouldn’t trust an autistic more than anyone else.

In my experience, communication isn’t necessarily better, either.

If you build a commune is it inevitable having a few bad apples that flock to these situations?

Depends what you mean bad apple. I think, as long as they aren't violent or destructive, then it is worth it. It should be our goal to help all autists, even if they are bad apples.

there's also toxicity that isn't violent and can ruin a group

The idea would never work or be allowed and you would be better off focusing your energy into something else.

1 What makes you think gov is going to give control of a city / province/ part of a country to you or your supporters-

Ordinary NTs have a hard time demanding this as it is through politics, terrorism and war let alone disabled people

2. What makes you think autistic people want this or would agree to such a thing?

3. Even if it did happen it would never work, you underestimate the numbers of even hf people that can actually support themselves, very few.

Society would resemble Europe at the height of the plague with an extreme minority supporting everyone else.

Things would quickly collapse into anarchy and probably avoidable deaths

I'm generally against the idea of siloing people based on any given characteristic. You see what happens when we have states defined by religion or race - it's generally a bad idea. I think the same would ultimately apply to a community of autistics. I think, as annoying as it is for different folks to have to rub up alongside each other, it's probably the healthiest way for humans to co-exist.