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02 May 2012, 1:53 am

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What's the point of this thread? First of all, humans are programmed to Like food that tastes sweet. Secondly, humans are (usually) programmed to like meat, eggs and so on because we need more proteins than other apes.

A lot of unhealthy foods (eg. wheat) has very little taste.


Protein =/= meat and eggs.

It's virtually-impossible to be protein-deficient without also being calorically deficient.


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02 May 2012, 1:55 am

As has been said, half the problem is people don't relish and put the time and effort into cooking things which are healthy.
Entire international competitions and backyard rivalries are had over whose BBQ or steak seasoning is the best,
or Mama's old cake recipe with entire cups of BUTTER AND SUGAR
and then people just BOIL some veggies limp and conclude healthy food tastes "bad".

Part of it is people's taste is so whacked out.
When people consume refined sugar in the amounts that we see leading to the diabetes epidemic,
of COURSE fruits are going to taste lame in comparison (for instance)-
same with any other healthful food- our bodies naturally crave it,
but in industrialized nations there exists a food industry built on decades of hyperloading processed foods with those tastes.


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02 May 2012, 10:09 am

I think I read somewhere that the way plants are bred for maximum size has in fact diminished the taste. Supposedly many fruits used to have a more sweet and savory taste then they do now.



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02 May 2012, 11:43 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
What's the point of this thread? First of all, humans are programmed to Like food that tastes sweet. Secondly, humans are (usually) programmed to like meat, eggs and so on because we need more proteins than other apes.

A lot of unhealthy foods (eg. wheat) has very little taste.


Protein =/= meat and eggs.

It's virtually-impossible to be protein-deficient without also being calorically deficient.


It is indeed possible. To actually get decent results in terms of muscle gain, you need at least 1,8 metric grams of protein per kg of your own bodyweight. You average bread and butter diet gives you roughly 50 grams of protein per day.

If I were to get my daily need in protein simply by eating vegetables, I'd have to eat 5000-6000 calories a day and spend close to 100 USD on food every day. Furthermore, my cholesterol levels would be too low.



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02 May 2012, 9:42 pm

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Kurgan wrote:
What's the point of this thread? First of all, humans are programmed to Like food that tastes sweet. Secondly, humans are (usually) programmed to like meat, eggs and so on because we need more proteins than other apes.

A lot of unhealthy foods (eg. wheat) has very little taste.


Protein =/= meat and eggs.

It's virtually-impossible to be protein-deficient without also being calorically deficient.


It is indeed possible. To actually get decent results in terms of muscle gain, you need at least 1,8 metric grams of protein per kg of your own bodyweight. You average bread and butter diet gives you roughly 50 grams of protein per day.

If I were to get my daily need in protein simply by eating vegetables, I'd have to eat 5000-6000 calories a day and spend close to 100 USD on food every day. Furthermore, my cholesterol levels would be too low.

Fail.
A little over two cups of TVP is a HUNDRED grams of protein. Around 200 calories. I'm not sure why you think X amount of protein necessitates eating X number of calories. TVP is dirt cheap. I just got a canteloupe-sized ball of the stuff, around ten cups of it, for a dollar something at Whole Foods. My cholesterol's "amazing" (doctor's word). What gives?


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03 May 2012, 7:47 am

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I don't mean to take the piss just found this funny, made me think of eating coal :D



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03 May 2012, 10:22 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Fail.
A little over two cups of TVP is a HUNDRED grams of protein. Around 200 calories. I'm not sure why you think X amount of protein necessitates eating X number of calories. TVP is dirt cheap. I just got a canteloupe-sized ball of the stuff, around ten cups of it, for a dollar something at Whole Foods. My cholesterol's "amazing" (doctor's word). What gives?

Protein is 4 calories per gram, how can you get 100g with only 200 calories?


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03 May 2012, 10:40 am

the point of protein intake though is not to metabolise it but to incorporate it into your tissue.
that's not the same as metabolising it for the calories. i dunno if when you intake protein whether the protein/cells it replaces are then metabolised in a balanced manner or not.



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03 May 2012, 12:49 pm

Gravechylde wrote:
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Fail.
A little over two cups of TVP is a HUNDRED grams of protein. Around 200 calories. I'm not sure why you think X amount of protein necessitates eating X number of calories. TVP is dirt cheap. I just got a canteloupe-sized ball of the stuff, around ten cups of it, for a dollar something at Whole Foods. My cholesterol's "amazing" (doctor's word). What gives?

Protein is 4 calories per gram, how can you get 100g with only 200 calories?


Because different protein types have different caloric amounts. :)

Let's say it IS 4 calories a gram. So then it's 400 calories. Not "5,000-6,000".


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03 May 2012, 1:14 pm

I could make a very long list of healthy foods that taste good I think heatlhy foods taste the best.



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03 May 2012, 10:31 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
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Protein is 4 calories per gram, how can you get 100g with only 200 calories?

Because different protein types have different caloric amounts. :)

Let's say it IS 4 calories a gram. So then it's 400 calories. Not "5,000-6,000".

I've never heard that before, everything I've seen/heard said 4 (there was one that said 3.2 but that was in general), do you have a source about that?

Yeah, concentrated would be much more efficient than trying to eat the vegetables themselves.


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04 May 2012, 11:30 am

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Protein is 4 calories per gram, how can you get 100g with only 200 calories?

Because different protein types have different caloric amounts. :)

Let's say it IS 4 calories a gram. So then it's 400 calories. Not "5,000-6,000".

I've never heard that before, everything I've seen/heard said 4 (there was one that said 3.2 but that was in general), do you have a source about that?

Yeah, concentrated would be much more efficient than trying to eat the vegetables themselves.


Here's the label:
Nurition Label

Does eating vegetables really pose that big of a challenge for you, where it's a matter of "trying" to?


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04 May 2012, 1:56 pm

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I've never heard that before, everything I've seen/heard said 4 (there was one that said 3.2 but that was in general), do you have a source about that?

Yeah, concentrated would be much more efficient than trying to eat the vegetables themselves.


Here's the label:
Nurition Label

Does eating vegetables really pose that big of a challenge for you, where it's a matter of "trying" to?

That doesn't show less than 4 calories per gram. 11g x 4 = 44, that leaves 16 calories 8 of which are from the sugar, with 8 left over.

Personally, I don't have a problem eating fruits/vegetables, I eat them everyday. But I couldn't switch to vegan, and health wise I'm doing low carbs, which seems to be working well for me and since I'm having less carbs, I need to get the calories elsewhere, which would be from fat. Which would be hard to do as vegan, unless i just drink olive oil, or have a lot of nuts which I don't like for anything more than a snack. I'd rather just have some animal product, and I eat humanely treated whenever possible.


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04 May 2012, 3:54 pm

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I've never heard that before, everything I've seen/heard said 4 (there was one that said 3.2 but that was in general), do you have a source about that?

Yeah, concentrated would be much more efficient than trying to eat the vegetables themselves.


Here's the label:
Nurition Label

Does eating vegetables really pose that big of a challenge for you, where it's a matter of "trying" to?

That doesn't show less than 4 calories per gram. 11g x 4 = 44, that leaves 16 calories 8 of which are from the sugar, with 8 left over.

Personally, I don't have a problem eating fruits/vegetables, I eat them everyday. But I couldn't switch to vegan, and health wise I'm doing low carbs, which seems to be working well for me and since I'm having less carbs, I need to get the calories elsewhere, which would be from fat. Which would be hard to do as vegan, unless i just drink olive oil, or have a lot of nuts which I don't like for anything more than a snack. I'd rather just have some animal product, and I eat humanely treated whenever possible.


Right, I see that now- the one in the store might have been wrong, or I misread.
In any case, as you can see, it provides about a quarter of the recommended daily protein.
Calories can either come from fat, protein, or carbs. If you're doing the low-carb thing, that leaves the other two.
A snack-sized amount of nuts packs a ton of calories.
Veganism isn't a welfarist philosphy, so "humanely-treated" doesn't have much to do with it.


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04 May 2012, 4:09 pm

raw carrots taste like acrid hell. plain yogurt tastes like sour hell. green olives taste like metallically sour salty hell.



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04 May 2012, 4:18 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
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What's the point of this thread? First of all, humans are programmed to Like food that tastes sweet. Secondly, humans are (usually) programmed to like meat, eggs and so on because we need more proteins than other apes.

A lot of unhealthy foods (eg. wheat) has very little taste.


Protein =/= meat and eggs.

It's virtually-impossible to be protein-deficient without also being calorically deficient.


It is indeed possible. To actually get decent results in terms of muscle gain, you need at least 1,8 metric grams of protein per kg of your own bodyweight. You average bread and butter diet gives you roughly 50 grams of protein per day.

If I were to get my daily need in protein simply by eating vegetables, I'd have to eat 5000-6000 calories a day and spend close to 100 USD on food every day. Furthermore, my cholesterol levels would be too low.

Fail.
A little over two cups of TVP is a HUNDRED grams of protein. Around 200 calories. I'm not sure why you think X amount of protein necessitates eating X number of calories. TVP is dirt cheap. I just got a canteloupe-sized ball of the stuff, around ten cups of it, for a dollar something at Whole Foods. My cholesterol's "amazing" (doctor's word). What gives?


TVP is expensive here in Norway and the manufacturing process decreases the protein quality. You can get it quite cheaply because the USA is the world's largest producer of soybeans, whereas it needs to be imported here because of the climate.

Furthermore, the estrogen level in soy is very high. One cup of TVP is 320 calories and 48 grams of protein. This is twice the calorie amount of tuna and only five grams or so more worth of protein.

Men need more cholesterol than women; this is what testosterone is derived from.