cool cheat if you aren't eating enough fruit/veg

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The old "water is a chemical" bit impressed me when my highschool chemistry teacher said this exact same thing (it's a script by now, I guess). But that was 30 years ago. It is no longer some sort of epiphany to me that we are made of chemicals as it was all those years ago, However, it was an unfortunate middle aged epiphany to me that the repair mechanisms available to cells cannot keep cleaning up messes indefinately as they seemed to do when I was much younger. The damage really is cumulative. So many young people (such as myself at that time) think this is just a scare-monger fabrication simply because they haven't lived long enough for the damage to accumulate. Of course you may be older than me and simply have inherited a system that handles these toxins eternally with ease. But I haven't. So I did educate myself and now no longer poison myself.

I should really hope you are not being serious. Have you heard of the variations of the Meat-Lovers' Pizza? The only significant component one would consider vegetable matter is the crust, which is made from wheat processed by a species of the genus Saccharomyces.



I'M [SIC] NOT OLD! I AM STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL! WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM A PROFESSOR AND AM PLANNING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD?

Although it is always a good thing to avoid taking artificial (to be distinguished from synthetic) chemicals to excess, keep in mind the fact that processing allows for easy checks for various poisons and substances most people cannot afford to test. Note as well that manure is a common fertilizer used for the purposes of growing organic produce, which tends to have a varying amount of the coliform bacteria found in excrement (necessary redundancy). It is true that the effects of some toxic agents are chronic and cumulative, but many, such as the urushiol found in large amounts in several plants including poison ivy, are acute and can be removed to prevent possible long-term damage with relative ease. Provided that the genes are not rendered inactive to an excess, repair mechanisms should not falter significantly. The cumulative poisons of which you speak are simply those that represented weaknesses in the body's defense system. Processing food does not make the food as toxic as is commonly said, which can be demonstrated by pickling. Although pickles do have preservatives (commonly sodium chloride, or table salt) and are processed (by the eponymous pickling process), they would still be considered natural in the popular context by most. I might add that at a worldwide rate of 13% per year, cancer may be a significant risk, but it is not an extremely likely death for most given individuals. Although I have begun examining the problem, not having access to a laboratory (or the social skills to ask for it) prevents me from doing too much.

The information that may have led you into thinking I am older than I am constitutes my long-term special interest, as stated earlier.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ ... -says-yes/

The tomato sauce in pizza is enough to make it officially a vegetable according to the US congress (yes, I know tomato is a fruit, but congress clearly does not)

That confusion adds something to the discussion as well. What can be considered vegetables (leafy matter, stems) made from tomatoes would be a bit toxic. Apparently, only the fruit should be eaten as far as the various tomato species and their method of reproduction are concerned. Some, "pizzas" manage to get around without tomato sauce and still taste good. But I digress. Grains are plants too.

I was absolutely horrified when I saw that. The Reagan administration tried that many years ago by attempting to get ketchup classified as a school lunch vegetable and thankfully failed. Now the very people who were spared that as kids (and might even remember the news stories, since their parents were doubtless horrified) are in congress and voted in it. Calling pizza sauce a vegetable isn't quite as bad as calling ketchup a vegetable (less sugar), but it's still pretty bad. All because of those food company lobbyists who sell to schools. If they were selling Veggie Lovers Pizzas (which are piled high with green peppers and onions and sometimes artichoke hearts) I would be fine with it. But this is an atrocity. I do order or make Veggie Lovers Pizza for my daughter and consider it sufficient vegetables, but that's not what I've seen in her school cafeteria.

Oops sorry. I should have looked at your profile. I assumed you were an adult since there are few teens who have given food so much thought. Most just wolf it down without giving one moment's thought to what it's made from, how it's made or anything beyond how it tastes (and I think some eat too fast to even notice the taste).

Have you looked at Molecular Gastronomy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy

It's too bizarre for my tastes but "too bizarre" is probably not a dealbreaker for a younger palate. And you do seem interested and well versed in food chemistry.

It is interesting, but the only reasons for why I learned as much as I do about food are tangents during research. Of course, I do realize that I am the person who would figuratively burn water.

I'm killing myself with junk food.

I was just hoping to see "cheats" on getting veggie nutrition. My GI tract has been trashed by years of IV antibiotics. I love raw veggies, fruits, whole grains, but they anger my insides.

Doesn't that 'superfood' powder solve that?

Guess it would, huh. Seems I didn't read far enough, as usual.

Organic chemistry does discriminate against highly-processed foods high in carbohydrates, sugars, sodium, cholesterol, and fat.
And that's what fast food consists of.

The dichotomy isn't "fast food hamburgers" vs. "better (I use the term loosely) hamburgers",
but "garbage" and "not garbage", and fast food is pretty much the former.

What's super scary is when you consider how many people on government health and dietary advising committees are current or former members of boards for corporations such as Kraft, Procter and Gamble, etc.

There's no transparency in government anymore, but then people also choose to be willfully ignorant.